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[0:01] [ Music ]
[0:04] [ Applause ]
[0:08] >> Hello.
[0:09] >> Hello.
[0:09] >> Hi, everybody.
[0:10] >> You're all here
bright and early.
[0:13] Thank you so much all
of you for being here.
[0:15] It is my enormous pleasure
and delight to be able
[0:19] to be the person who can
introduce you today to somebody
[0:22] who may not know but should,
[0:24] and who you will
love as much as I do.
[0:27] Well, that's not possible.
[0:28] You can't love her
as much as I do.
[0:29] She's my very best friend in
the entire world, Rayya Elias,
[0:32] the author of Harley Loco.
[0:35] [ Applause ]
[0:39] And I can -- who is
struggling with her lanyard.
[0:41] >> I think they --
[0:42] >> Do you want some help, honey?
[0:43] >> They definitely
want me to know --
[0:45] >> They want to claim you.
[0:47] >> Yes.
[0:47] >> They stapled it to her.
[0:48] She's going to have
to wear that all day.
[0:51] Rayya is the author of a
memoir called Harley Loco,
[0:54] a memoir of -- give
us the subtitle.
[0:56] >> Of Hard Living, Hair, and
Post Punk from the Middle East
[0:59] to the Lower East Side.
[1:01] >> It's a sprawling story.
[1:04] And we met 15 years ago
because of an intervention.
[1:10] Now Rayya is a recovered
drug addict and a lot
[1:12] of her work is about recovery.
[1:14] The intervention at
which we met; however,
[1:16] was not a drug intervention.
[1:17] It was a hair intervention
for me that my friends --
[1:20] that my friends had where
they were like, we love you,
[1:23] we are about you, we can't look
at this anymore [laughter].
[1:27] Something has to be done.
[1:28] And they sent me to Rayya,
who at the time was living
[1:31] in East Village in a walk-up
apartment with her two Pitbulls
[1:34] and her super hot wife,
like newly married
[1:37] to like this gorgeous little
pixy blonde with her tattoos
[1:41] and her guitars and
her motorcycles.
[1:43] And I was like, well you are now
the coolest person I've ever met
[1:46] in my entire life.
[1:47] And we became friends.
[1:48] And actually just as a
disclosure, we were meant today
[1:51] in order to honour
that first meeting.
[1:52] We thought it would be really
cool piece of guerrilla theatre
[1:55] if Rayya gave me a
haircut on stage.
[1:57] We thought of this like six
months ago and we pitched it
[1:59] to the Sydney Opera House
and to the All Women Festival
[2:01] and they were nice enough to
let us do it until last week
[2:04] when Rayya and I realised
[2:05] that was the stupidest
idea we had ever had
[2:08] in our entire lives.
[2:09] And that the mechanics of
it were just ridiculous
[2:12] and that it would
involve 15 minutes
[2:14] of a blow dryer going on stage.
[2:16] >> So what do you think about
that, Liz [assumed spelling]?
[2:18] >> Yeah, what do you think
[2:19] about like transformation
and create -- what?
[2:22] Like it would just be --
[2:22] so she did my hair before
so you can look at it now.
[2:25] It's nice.
[2:26] >> There's it, done.
[2:27] >> It's done [applause].
[2:31] >> And I -- you're all going
to buy Rayya's book after this.
[2:34] So I told her not to
read from it today.
[2:36] What I asked her to do instead
as an introduction a bit
[2:39] to her life, which has been
really an extraordinary life.
[2:42] This is somebody who
has lived and died
[2:44] in several different chapters
and several different versions
[2:48] in really fascinating ways.
[2:50] And, you know, there's an old --
[2:51] there's the adage that what
doesn't kill you makes you
[2:53] stronger, and my experience is
that that is not always the case
[2:55] with people sometimes.
[2:56] What doesn't kill them
just fucks them up so much
[3:00] that they're -- sorry, warning,
adult language will be used
[3:04] in this session [laughter],
lots of it.
[3:06] You're Australians, I have a
feeling you can cope with it.
[3:11] Like oftentimes you
see people whose --
[3:14] while their lives
haven't killed them,
[3:16] they haven't necessarily
made them stronger.
[3:18] And this something we're going
to be talking about today,
[3:20] is the alchemy of how you
do that, how you take --
[3:22] how you make a piece from
the pieces basically.
[3:25] And Rayya does that and
has done that better
[3:27] than anybody I have ever known.
[3:29] She's the greatest teacher of
my life, and my dearest friend,
[3:32] and in order to give you just a
sense of her voice and her life,
[3:37] I asked her to read an essay
that she wrote this year
[3:40] that she delivered in New
York City at Joe's Pub.
[3:44] Do you guys know Marieke
Hardy, who is on ABC Book Club.
[3:48] So Marieke does this thing
called Women of Letters
[3:50] where she invites people to
-- she does these nights,
[3:53] these sort of theatrical
nights where people
[3:55] from different backgrounds come
[3:56] and they write a
letter to something.
[3:58] And the assignment
was to write a letter
[4:01] to your stumbling block.
[4:02] And here's what Rayya
wrote, and I have a feeling
[4:06] that although none of us
probably have lived life --
[4:09] although I don't know, some
you may have exactly like hers,
[4:12] we can all identify
with the spirit of this,
[4:14] and you will know her
better when she's done.
[4:17] So bring it.
[4:19] >> So letter to my
stumbling block.
[4:22] Dear head, you used to be the
worst neighbourhood for me
[4:28] to hang out in, especially
when I was alone.
[4:31] Being there with you was scarier
than walking down Avenue D
[4:35] in the 1980s by myself.
[4:37] It was scarier than being
stalked by a serial killer
[4:40] or cornered by a rapist.
[4:43] Being in you, on my own head,
meant that I would do anything
[4:47] to convince myself that
I was a fucking reject,
[4:50] not worth the skin
that I existed in.
[4:53] Let me first start by
saying that I never feel
[4:57] like I belong, no
matter where I am.
[5:00] I'm always plagued by
the notion that everyone
[5:02] in the room has earned
their seat except for me.
[5:06] They're smarter, more educated,
well-read, better musicians,
[5:11] actors, directors, writers,
etcetera, everybody.
[5:16] Some of the places I felt most
comfortable in were gaols,
[5:20] psych wards, rehabs, detoxes, or
being homeless on a park bench.
[5:27] Those are places that I knew
I'd earned the right to be in.
[5:31] And even then there was always
someone more fucked up, tougher,
[5:36] or even more homeless.
[5:39] I'm going to start by reminding
you, head, with a story.
[5:44] When I was living on a bench
[5:45] on Tompkin [assumed
spelling] Square Park
[5:46] in the 1980's I was lost.
[5:49] I had found comfort in
a twisted sort of safety
[5:51] in the hard-core drug
scene of New York City,
[5:54] and I alienated myself from
my good friends and family.
[5:58] I had basically given
up on myself and given
[6:01] in to a lifestyle that
I would wish on no one.
[6:04] And you, head, helped convince
me that these things were true.
[6:09] My sister wanted to reach in
and pluck me from this world
[6:12] that was so foreign to her.
[6:14] She was sophisticated, a woman
who had married a doctor,
[6:17] had three kids, and lived
in the beautiful suburb
[6:21] of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan.
[6:23] When she came to New York
and found me in that park,
[6:27] the dreaded tent city, with
all the hustlers, drug addicts,
[6:31] and criminals, she offered to
take me to the San Moritz Hotel
[6:34] to help clean me up and
discuss my state of living.
[6:39] I agreed to go with her,
but on one condition,
[6:43] that she give me money to
buy enough drugs beforehand.
[6:47] She agreed, knowing it was
the only way to get me there.
[6:49] I hadn't washed in weeks,
was wearing filthy clothes,
[6:53] and had deep track marks
on my hands and arms.
[6:56] I had scabs stuck to the
fibre of my shirt sleeves.
[7:00] I hadn't eaten in days
because all the money I hustled
[7:03] on the street was used
by heroin and cocaine.
[7:07] She gave me the cash and I ran
to the neighbourhood bodega,
[7:10] copped the drugs, and met her
at Lushco's [assumed spelling],
[7:13] a little, tiny diner on the
corner of Avenue A for a coffee
[7:17] so I could use their filthy
bathroom and do a shot
[7:20] of speedball before getting
into the cab to go --
[7:23] getting into the
cab to go uptown.
[7:26] There was no way I was walking
into that pristine hotel
[7:30] without numbing you out, head,
[7:34] because I knew what I
looked like, how embarrassed
[7:36] and ashamed that she would be,
but she would do it anyway.
[7:40] She would walk in with me.
[7:42] For me she would do it.
[7:45] I needed a fix because you
had told me to be proud,
[7:48] cop an attitude, hold you high,
[7:52] and give everyone else a
what the fuck are you looking
[7:54] at sneer, and I believed you.
[7:56] Do you know how fucked
up that is?
[8:00] As I waited in the room angrily
my beautiful sister ran a bath
[8:03] for me.
[8:03] And when I took my shirt off
the fabric peeled off my skin
[8:08] and blood ran down my arms.
[8:10] She cried.
[8:11] I sunk into the bath wishing
it would melt away all the pain
[8:14] and suffering, but nothing
[8:16] at that point could do
that but another fix.
[8:19] So she stood by with
the door half closed
[8:22] as I did another shot.
[8:23] Then quietly she gave me
beautiful clothes to wear,
[8:28] her clothes, and
fed me room service,
[8:30] steak and oysters,
my favourites.
[8:33] We talked about my
life and she said
[8:35] and did everything a person
could do to offer help.
[8:38] Finally, she fell sleep and,
after sitting in the dark
[8:41] for a while, I changed back
into my old skanky clothes,
[8:45] folded her things, and kept
-- and crept out of the room.
[8:50] You told me that I
was too fucked up
[8:52] and didn't deserve
what she was offering,
[8:54] that I would feel
way more comfortable
[8:56] in that park bench downtown,
with nothing, because after all,
[9:01] as you said before, I'd worked
really hard to get there.
[9:06] When I treated myself badly
you were quiet, and when I --
[9:09] and when you were loud
[9:10] and unbearable I treated
myself even worse.
[9:13] I would've done anything
to power
[9:15] down that boge voice
of mine, yours.
[9:19] I'm remembering -- I'm reminding
you of the story, head,
[9:22] because I've come a long
way since that park bench.
[9:25] I've managed to quiet you down
by inviting people into you
[9:28] and divulging all of your
secrets and exposing them.
[9:32] I stopped using hard-core
drugs to shut you up,
[9:35] and yet you still whispered.
[9:37] I even tried those
pesky antidepressants
[9:39] for a while to keep you muffled.
[9:41] But after quite some
time I realised
[9:43] that you weren't going anywhere.
[9:45] You're mine and I own you.
[9:47] Yes, I said it.
[9:48] I own you, not the
other way around.
[9:51] Not like a piece of
jewellery or a car I can sell,
[9:55] or an old piece of musical
equipment I can trade,
[9:58] not even like a family
member I can stay away
[10:00] from for long periods of time.
[10:01] You're like the weight that I
carried around all those years
[10:05] and hated until it made me so
miserable that I made a decision
[10:09] to have a healthy
relationship with it.
[10:12] So during the last 17
years, while working
[10:16] on all these fucked up
relationships with myself,
[10:19] I wrote and directed
a couple of films
[10:21] and received wonderful
accolades.
[10:24] I also made some amazing
music with great producers.
[10:27] I wrote a memoir
called Harley Loco
[10:30] and continuously write essays
for different publications.
[10:33] I sell real estate in New York
City and have a wonderful,
[10:36] healthy, and loving relationship
with a gorgeous Swedish woman
[10:40] who is a pilot, a
captain Swiss --
[10:43] a captain on Swiss
Air just to be clear.
[10:46] Superhot, right?
[10:49] And we travelled
the world together.
[10:50] I have friends and family
that love me and would do just
[10:53] about anything for me,
and I back for them.
[10:57] So I would say my
life has turned
[10:58] out really, really bomb, right?
[11:02] So I ask you, head, why is it
when I'm asked to do an event
[11:05] like this one, at first I'm
really excited and flattered,
[11:09] then the fear sets in, and
your dark voice starts to creep
[11:13] in like it did years ago beating
me up with the questions,
[11:17] do I deserve to be here?
[11:19] Am I at a level that I
can hold my own on a stage
[11:21] with people that I admire?
[11:24] I don't know -- I don't know
about you, and I don't know
[11:28] if anybody else feels this way,
[11:30] but the shit happens
to me all the time.
[11:34] I'm going to remind
you of another story,
[11:36] and this just happened
a couple weeks ago.
[11:38] I was invited to a small dinner
party for a dear friend of mine,
[11:41] who happens to be
the book review guy
[11:44] for the New York Times.
[11:45] His wife also a literary genius.
[11:48] There were 11 people at the
table, all academics, Yale this
[11:52] and fucking Princeton
that [laughter],
[11:54] Boston Globe this,
and film review that.
[11:57] I think you remember
the crowd, right, head?
[12:01] While at dinner you reared your
ugly face and started chattering
[12:05] to me while they were eating
foie gras and making references
[12:08] to literary things that
I didn't understand.
[12:11] You told me that I was the
stupidest one at the table.
[12:14] You told me not to speak
because I had nothing to add
[12:17] to the conversation and, if
I did ask for explanations,
[12:21] they would know how
stupid I was.
[12:23] So I shut my mouth.
[12:25] My friend even asked if I
was okay and, of course,
[12:28] and I smiled and said, yeah,
the foie gras was incredible.
[12:33] She didn't seem convinced
because I was so quiet,
[12:36] but then when that
one really smart guy
[12:38] from Yale started talking
[12:39] about identifying triggers
before you do a reading,
[12:43] I understood that.
[12:44] The rest of the table didn't
know what he was talking about.
[12:47] I saw my chance and jumped
in with my trigger story.
[12:50] I told him that when I did
my first reading at pianos
[12:54] and read the first and very,
very harrowing pages of my book,
[12:58] the room was so quiet and then
a great applause happened.
[13:02] This chick came up
to me after and said
[13:04] that I should've announced a
trigger warning before reading
[13:07] my piece because someone
[13:08] in the audience could've been
sexually assaulted or abused,
[13:11] and this was now
a new etiquette.
[13:14] Instantly I replied, honey --
[13:16] actually I said bitch
[laughter],
[13:18] I'm the one that went through
that incident, not you.
[13:23] If you don't want to be
triggered then don't come
[13:26] to a bar on the lower east
side of New York City to listen
[13:29] to authors' cutting edge
stories talk about their lives.
[13:33] She baulked a bit, but
then she got the message
[13:36] that she wasn't going
make me feel bad
[13:37] about what I just
shared about myself.
[13:40] The smart Yale dude jumped up
and he gave me a huge high-five
[13:44] and the conversation
opened up about many things
[13:47] which I was very comfortable
talking about, labels, feminism,
[13:52] art, sexuality, race,
creativity, all the above.
[13:57] The rest of the evening
was a wonderful experience
[13:59] because I showed you, head,
that when I'm invited somewhere,
[14:03] then I probably belong there.
[14:06] People don't invite me for
the things that I lack,
[14:09] they invite me for the
things that I bring.
[14:12] Maybe this is the way we
all balance each other out.
[14:16] So, dearest head, thank you
for hanging in there with me,
[14:19] sometimes taking a beating
from me, and vice versa,
[14:23] and becoming a little
more tolerant
[14:25] and rational these days.
[14:26] I always expect a
challenge from you,
[14:28] and now I'm certainly up for it.
[14:31] Remember, dude, I
fucking own you.
[14:34] Love Rayya.
[14:36] [ Applause ]
[14:41] Thank you.
[14:42] [ Applause ]
[14:51] >> Rayya, that's Rayya.
[14:54] I want to start by talking about
shame, because it's a subject
[14:59] that we talked about a lot
and that you know a lot about,
[15:02] and this is about as well.
[15:04] And I'm curious, especially
[15:06] in an audience that's
predominately women,
[15:07] and thank you to the men who
came as well, you're very loved.
[15:09] We appreciate you
being here, too.
[15:11] And you're no strangers
to shame I know.
[15:15] And I want to -- I just want to
begin with that word and ask you
[15:20] to sort of talk about what that
has meant to you in the past,
[15:25] where you think it came from
in your life, and how --
[15:29] like how you've worked
with it at this point?
[15:35] >> Okay, you've never
asked me that one before.
[15:36] >> No, I thought I'd just --
[15:38] >> You kind of suck,
dude [laughter].
[15:41] Well, I mean, shame is
inherent in my culture.
[15:45] Shame is inherent -- you
know, I was born in Syria.
[15:48] And I think that it's
so -- it's so subtle.
[15:55] Shame is so subtle.
[15:56] You know guilt -- we all know
guilt, but shame is just worked
[16:01] into the fibre of
who I am, you know.
[16:04] And it is the one thing
that, you know, I never knew
[16:07] that I needed to
shake but, you know,
[16:09] it comes from a look
when you're two.
[16:13] It comes from a word
when you're six.
[16:16] It comes from your sister
being gorgeous and thin
[16:20] and you being sort of
the fat little tomboy.
[16:23] And the way when you're walking
through Sears to look for jeans,
[16:28] it comes from the lady --
[16:30] the lady who is helping
you who says you need to go
[16:35] to the boys' husky section
because you can't fit
[16:39] into a little girl's size jean.
[16:43] It comes from, you know, and
I'm just taking you through.
[16:47] It comes from feeling different,
feeling like, oh my God I'm not,
[16:53] you know, I'm never
going to be attracted
[16:55] to a doctor, a man, this.
[16:58] I want to -- I want
to be the man.
[17:01] I want to be, you know, I
want to be self-sufficient.
[17:04] I want to take care of people.
[17:06] I -- so in my family and in my
culture, and in every culture,
[17:12] and I'm not -- I'm not
pointing it out as a Syrian,
[17:15] in every culture I think it's
so hard to not have shame.
[17:20] >> Uh-huh.
[17:20] >> You know, because
we identify.
[17:22] I mean, it's so hard to identify
with the positive things
[17:25] until you work through all
that stuff and get to a place
[17:29] where you're like fuck
this, I'm not going
[17:32] to let you take me down,
because that's the one thing
[17:35] that will take me down.
[17:37] >> All of us.
[17:38] And we've been -- you and I have
been talking about this a lot
[17:40] over last couple weeks,
because I've got really excited
[17:42] about the work of this
neurobiologist I've been telling
[17:45] you about, this guy, Mario
Martinez [assumed spelling],
[17:46] who has this take on shame
that I never heard before
[17:49] that I felt was like
so clarifying
[17:52] about how it's the greatest
tool that your family
[17:56] or your culture has
to keep you in line.
[17:58] Right? Because a family and a
culture are very conservative.
[18:03] A church is conservative.
[18:04] A family is conservative.
[18:05] Whatever tribe you
belong to is by nature --
[18:08] >> Even drug addicts
are conservative.
[18:10] >> You've been shamed by, you
know, like and the way they --
[18:12] and sometimes the
shame is very explicit,
[18:14] like if you don't tow the
line you are excommunicated,
[18:17] you're disowned from
this family.
[18:19] Like sometimes it's
really violent.
[18:21] Some -- we'll kill you.
[18:22] You know, like honour
killings and stuff.
[18:24] Like, and then sometimes
it's subtle where it's
[18:27] like we won't kill you
[18:28] but here's the language
we're going to use.
[18:30] Oh, now that you're
a fancy person
[18:32] who got an education you
think you're better than us.
[18:35] Now that your, you know,
blah, blah, blah you think
[18:37] that you're, you know --
[18:38] and they sort of work you
to try to bring you back in.
[18:42] >> Into the fold.
[18:43] >> And the way that we try
to come back into the fold is
[18:47] through failure, right?
[18:48] >> Uh-huh.
[18:48] >> Because if you dare
to leave and do well,
[18:51] that's the biggest betrayal
[18:53] that you could possibly
have of your tribe, right?
[18:55] Your tribe is like, you have
[18:56] to follow these rules
or you won't do well.
[18:58] And then if you don't
follow those rules
[18:59] and go do well you've
really fucked them.
[19:02] You know, and then --
[19:03] >> Because challenge
is everything.
[19:04] >> They try to, you know, and
so I'm -- was thinking about,
[19:07] tell that story about when,
[19:09] because I think this is a very
important thing to remember
[19:11] if you are daring to move
outside of what you were taught,
[19:14] that they, your family, your
tribe, your culture your church,
[19:17] whoever it is who builds the
sort of rules around you,
[19:20] they'll always take
you back in failure,
[19:23] but they won't take you
back in success, right?
[19:25] So if you come back in success
they're going to sort of work
[19:29] on you, but if you come back
as a failure, weak and broken,
[19:31] they're like come back.
[19:34] We have all the love
for you because --
[19:37] and you tell that story
about when you got clean
[19:39] and your brother was like --
[19:41] your brother who you've always
had such a hard time with.
[19:43] >> Yeah.
[19:43] >> Was like finally
there for you.
[19:45] >> Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,
we had never really gotten along
[19:49] and then, you know, I spent
years just out there adrift.
[19:53] And finally I went home,
you know, defeated and just,
[19:59] you know, wanting to get help.
[20:01] And it was like come on back in.
[20:05] I went to rehab, a
six month, everything.
[20:08] And I got on my feet and then
when I wanted to move back
[20:12] to New York because I
hadn't -- I hadn't slain --
[20:15] you know, slayed the beast yet.
[20:17] I had to go back
to prove to myself
[20:20] that I could no matter
what, drugs, not, whatever,
[20:24] still stand on my own, and
when I wanted to leave he --
[20:29] literally he threatened
to disown me.
[20:32] He used my mother's cancer at
the time to sort of shame me,
[20:38] you know, that I was leaving.
[20:41] And I just remember
thinking, oh my God,
[20:44] like how could this be possible.
[20:46] I'm healthy.
[20:48] Like why can't you be happy that
I'm healthy and want to sort
[20:52] of move on and still
chase my dreams and --
[20:56] now that I have dreams again.
[20:58] But it wasn't that way.
[20:59] It was like, oh you're back, and
you're here, and we want to hold
[21:02] on to you, and that's it.
[21:05] >> The -- one of the things
that this guy that you
[21:06] and I have been talking about a
lot lately says that the only --
[21:10] there's like an energy
field that you have
[21:12] to use to combat shame.
[21:14] And the one that he suggests
his honour, because it's the --
[21:17] it's the opposite really.
[21:19] And that when you have
been shamed, you know,
[21:22] whether through your
own behaviour
[21:23] or through somebody betraying
you, or abandoning you,
[21:26] or hurting you, or kicking
you out, when you're carrying
[21:29] around shame you have to build
up a sense of your own honour,
[21:32] and that has to be different
[21:34] from perhaps the honour
code that you came from.
[21:37] And you have to find your
own honour in the world,
[21:39] and you have to build a list
of evidence for yourself
[21:41] of the times where you have
been honourable and the ways
[21:43] that you are honourable.
[21:44] You have to sort of convince
your mind that, no, I'm a person
[21:47] of honour and dignity.
[21:49] And I want to know where
your honour comes from,
[21:52] like where your dignity
comes from.
[21:53] What do you know in your
marrow about yourself
[21:57] that makes you still
be here with us?
[21:59] >> Yeah.
[22:00] >> And makes you still be able
to tackle the head that you
[22:02] by your own admission, and we
all know from our own, look,
[22:05] we all live in a head that's a
terrible neighbourhood to walk
[22:07] around alone in at night.
[22:09] What is the honour code that
you have that keeps you --
[22:11] >> I mean my code --
made my code is just --
[22:15] look, when I got clean
17 years ago I knew
[22:19] that I had hurt so many people.
[22:22] I was 37 years old and
for 20 years I was --
[22:28] I just made havoc and
destruction everywhere.
[22:33] And so my code was
to be -- was truth.
[22:38] It was no matter what, to live
or die by the sword of truth.
[22:44] And I have found that some
people can't handle it,
[22:48] some people -- you know,
and when I first came
[22:51] around to it I was
like, truth, you know,
[22:54] fucking truth, man [laughter].
[22:57] You know, and I think
that that's, you know,
[23:00] that's the thing that happens
when you're sort of trying
[23:03] to attack something that you
really know nothing about,
[23:08] right, is that you go to the
opposite side of the pendulum
[23:11] and you become -- it
becomes your dogma, right.
[23:14] And then what happens is
that you start swinging
[23:18] and you start thinking,
oh my God, this thing,
[23:21] truth is really a kind thing,
it's an honourable thing.
[23:26] It's the thing that I
want most in my life.
[23:30] It's the thing that
I want people
[23:33] to portray to me, you know.
[23:36] I want to be forgiven.
[23:37] I want to forgive everyone.
[23:39] I -- you know, I want
to forgive myself,
[23:43] which is I think the
most important thing.
[23:45] So it first started
with that, like, Rayya,
[23:48] you've been just an asshole,
you've been so fucked up.
[23:52] Can you forgive yourself
for a through Z?
[23:55] And it was like, yes, I think.
[23:58] A couple things took a
while, you know, but --
[24:03] and they still -- you know,
and they recur, and they recur
[24:06] on a lower level, at
first really extreme
[24:09] and you think I can't
deal with this.
[24:11] I'll never be able to live with
this, but every time they come
[24:14] around they're like
on a lighter level.
[24:17] And now, you know, I just
-- I live and die by truth,
[24:23] but kindness with truth,
not a truth that is going
[24:27] to knock people out, not a truth
where I'm going to assault you
[24:32] by telling you the
truth about yourself.
[24:34] >> Never.
[24:35] >> Because I can't do that,
[24:36] only you can tell you
the truth about yourself.
[24:39] I can tell you the truth
about myself, you know,
[24:43] and it's pretty raunchy
some of it, you know.
[24:47] And yet, you know, when I
expose myself like I was saying,
[24:51] and that when I expose
myself I ripped myself open.
[24:56] There's nothing in
there but love, right.
[24:58] There's nothing left
because all the crap is out.
[25:02] And who are we really?
[25:04] We're this like point
of light and love,
[25:06] and if I can show you that,
if I can show you all my shit
[25:10] and like open it up and you
can see that I work really hard
[25:15] to take step by step by step by
step to do the next right thing,
[25:19] you know, and if it feels wrong
[25:20] in my gut then it's fucking
wrong, then take a turn, dude.
[25:25] Don't do it.
[25:25] If it feels wrong take a turn.
[25:28] >> You have taught me more
about truth than anyone,
[25:31] because I remember I took
an ethics class in college,
[25:35] and I remember the professor who
had this great Brooklyn accent,
[25:37] he was this ex-Marine, he
was genius, and he talked
[25:40] like a cab driver in a 1940's
movie, like he had the greatest,
[25:44] and he -- I remember him
saying, we become liars
[25:48] because he goes your family and
society they demand the truth,
[25:53] but they can't deal with it.
[25:56] You know, and it's totally true.
[25:58] Like it's such a great thing.
[25:59] Like you're told constantly
to be honest, but the fact is,
[26:03] most people actually
would really prefer
[26:04] that you weren't, you know.
[26:06] Because it's -- they
would really prefer
[26:08] that jut tamp that,
whatever that thing is.
[26:10] And so, especially if
you're a sensitive empath,
[26:13] you spend like -- if you're
me, you spend your life
[26:16] when people ask you what
you think about something,
[26:18] your first thing is to lean
in and look very closely
[26:20] at their face and try to figure
[26:22] out what is the answer
they want you to say?
[26:24] Right? That's something
I've spent my entire --
[26:27] I'm like what do you want?
[26:28] I used to work in a in a
cafe and there was a bunch
[26:31] of Honduran guys
who made the coffee,
[26:33] and I remember this one guy who
spoke no English, and I would go
[26:36] up to pick up the order to bring
to customers and I would say,
[26:39] Hilario [assumed spelling],
is this decaf that I ordered?
[26:42] And he would look in
my eyes for the answer.
[26:44] Do you want it to
-- yes [laughter].
[26:49] No, no, like what
do you want, yes.
[26:52] And that's what I
spent my life doing.
[26:55] Like what do you -- what
will be the thing I can say
[26:58] to make this moment right now
as smooth as possible, right?
[27:03] Which leads to just an
escalation and snowballing
[27:06] of terrible consequences, right?
[27:07] It makes that moment smooth.
[27:09] >> Yeah.
[27:09] >> And then it makes
your life a living hell.
[27:11] >> Hell.
[27:12] >> You know, and then
you eventually like --
[27:14] and the things that
you've taught me,
[27:16] the specific thing I love is
[27:17] when you always say the truth
will always eventually come out.
[27:22] So the quicker we can
get to it the better.
[27:25] Like let's just go right to it
rather than delaying something
[27:29] that will emerge,
because what's your line?
[27:32] The truth --
[27:32] >> The truth has legs.
[27:33] It always stands.
[27:34] >> It always stands.
[27:35] Everything else will fall away,
and in the end you will have
[27:37] to reckon with it anyway.
[27:38] >> Yeah.
[27:38] >> You know, so whenever
I'm going
[27:40] through like an interpersonal
difficulty, your --
[27:44] and I call you for advice,
[27:45] and I sometimes wonder why
do I still pick up the phone?
[27:47] I know what she's going to say.
[27:49] She's going to say,
tell the truth, right.
[27:52] Whatever the thing
is, tell the truth.
[27:54] Say it as gently as you can, but
send that e-mail to that person
[27:58] and just tell the truth.
[27:59] And I'm always like
I can't, you know.
[28:02] >> And I hate it when she like
rewinds it on me and she's like,
[28:05] baby, you know, you know
you got to tell the truth
[28:07] because that's what you do.
[28:08] And I'm like, oh
fuck, that's right,
[28:10] that's right, that's, yeah.
[28:11] >> And it -- and it --
and it seems to work.
[28:14] Or like -- and the other line
that I love of yours is always
[28:17] that you -- you know,
my husband and I,
[28:19] this has change our
whole life this line.
[28:20] We were praising you
for this last night.
[28:22] Keep your own side
of the street clean.
[28:24] You know, so that means owning
yourself, being accountable
[28:28] for your actions,
apologising when you need to,
[28:31] and making sure that
you're tidy on your side --
[28:33] that you've done your work.
[28:35] And then whatever happens on
the other side of the street --
[28:37] >> Is none of your business.
[28:39] >> It's none of your business.
[28:40] You know, and so my husband
and I do this all the time,
[28:43] is our side of the
street clean on this?
[28:44] You know, if we're in a -- like
did we do everything we can do?
[28:47] Then the rest of
it -- let it go.
[28:49] You're not in charge of
how people react to that.
[28:52] I want to ask you to talk about
being a late bloomer creatively,
[28:58] which you both are and aren't.
[28:59] There's a level at which you've
been creating your entire life.
[29:02] There's a level at which that I
see you now in your 50's coming
[29:05] into this blossoming
of creativity,
[29:09] that you're embracing
in such a different way
[29:12] than you ever have.
[29:13] And I -- and I want to
bring this up because I,
[29:14] as somebody who is a
creativity proselytiser,
[29:20] I'm constantly trying to
get people to make things
[29:23] and to release the
things that are in them.
[29:24] I know that there's a level
at which a lot of people,
[29:26] especially women, seem to feel
[29:27] like if they haven't done
it yet it's too late.
[29:30] If they weren't trained
up in it, it's too late.
[29:32] If they blah, blah,
blah, blah it's too late.
[29:35] So could you just take
that away from them --
[29:37] >> Yeah.
[29:38] >> The way you do?
[29:38] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[29:39] Are you dead?
[29:43] Create. No [laughter].
[29:44] If you're not fucking dead,
you've got breath in you,
[29:49] then you can do stuff.
[29:51] I -- you know, I used to --
I used to really, really,
[29:55] really hate myself for
being a creative person.
[29:58] I used to beat myself up
for being a creative person,
[30:01] because I used to
feel like it was --
[30:04] it was a nagging thing that
just -- that haunted me.
[30:09] Like why do I have -- why
can't I be the architect
[30:13] that my father wanted me to be?
[30:15] Why do I have to have
this yearning, yearning,
[30:18] yearning to be a
creative person,
[30:20] so -- but I'm not enough.
[30:22] You know, that was my
head back in the day.
[30:27] I'm not enough, I'm never going
to be enough, I'm fucked up,
[30:31] now get out there and
create and do what --
[30:34] you know, be touch and
create and, you know,
[30:38] and just be a soldier and that
was the epitome of what was
[30:43] in my head all the time.
[30:46] And since I've been
clean, it took a while
[30:49] because I never thought
that I could create.
[30:52] I thought all of that stuff came
from the angst that was my life,
[30:56] that was the depression,
that was the drugs,
[30:58] that was the darkness,
and I loved that.
[31:02] It just happened, darkness,
it went dark [laughter].
[31:05] >> You're in the zone, man.
[31:06] >> I know.
[31:06] >> You're calling
down the spirit.
[31:08] >> And so, you know, so
when I -- when I started --
[31:12] when I wrote my -- you know,
when I started thinking
[31:14] about doing music again,
like I hadn't picked
[31:18] up an instrument in years.
[31:19] And I was, you know,
just ashamed.
[31:22] I didn't think I could do it.
[31:23] So I would literally like skulk
around writing lyrics and trying
[31:28] to play the piano
and doing things
[31:30] and not allowing
people to hear me.
[31:34] And I had this little four
track and I wrote this song,
[31:37] and I thought it
was shit, right.
[31:39] And I recorded it on a
cassette thing and, you know,
[31:43] and then my friend,
Barb Morrison, heard it.
[31:46] And she was a producer.
[31:47] She produced Debbie Harry
and like Rufus Wainwright.
[31:49] And she heard it and she was
like, dude, you got to come
[31:53] into the studio and record this.
[31:54] And I'm like, what?
[31:56] But what I've learnt, you
know, and a lot of it --
[32:00] I'm going to just say has to do
with Liz as well, because I was
[32:03] so ashamed of being
a creative person.
[32:07] I felt like I was a
closet creative person.
[32:10] You know, I had been a closet
queer for so long I just --
[32:13] I had to be in the closet
about something, right.
[32:16] So -- but she would say, I
can't believe it, you do,
[32:21] you talk about doing these
things and you do them.
[32:23] And I was like, yeah.
[32:24] But she just brought the light
into -- like when I met Liz,
[32:28] I was like, oh my God, this
person has all this light
[32:32] and I was sort of crawling
my way out of the darkness
[32:34] and she talked about creativity
in this positive way of like,
[32:39] oh my God, you're so
blessed to be creative.
[32:42] You're so -- it's so inspiring
to see somebody that talks
[32:46] about things and
actually does them.
[32:48] And I was like, yeah, I
can do that, you know.
[32:51] And it sort of helped
me to get a backbone
[32:54] about my creative thing.
[32:55] And then it helped me to
start appreciating it.
[32:59] So now, you know, my mantra is
I am enough, now go out there
[33:04] and do it and it doesn't have
to be -- like she always says,
[33:07] it doesn't have to be perfect,
it just has to get done.
[33:11] You know -- and, you know,
[33:14] I know I'm like a
shitty everything.
[33:16] I'm a jack of all trades.
[33:18] I'm a master at none.
[33:19] And who care?
[33:20] Who is the master
of anything, right?
[33:23] >> And would you want to
hang out with that person?
[33:25] >> Definitely not, you know.
[33:26] >> Who is the master
at anything?
[33:28] >> So I just, you know,
the only thing I need
[33:31] to master is this, my heart.
[33:34] You know, that's the only
thing I need to master,
[33:37] because this rules
everything, you know.
[33:40] I hope eventually
it will rule this,
[33:43] but at this point this does
rule like everything that I do.
[33:47] And if I have enough, you
know, love for my creativity,
[33:51] for a person, for whatever
it is, then I want it.
[33:55] I want it in me and then
I want it out of me.
[33:58] And if I can't -- you know,
this is the last thing I'm going
[34:01] to say, like if I can't
keep it in anymore,
[34:04] if it fucking drives me crazy
like an earworm or, you know,
[34:08] if I have lyrics in my
head or I hum or I hymn,
[34:11] I got to get it out, because
it will drive me crazy.
[34:15] I know myself, and keeping
it in is not a good thing.
[34:18] What do you say about
the Border Collie?
[34:20] >> Oh, I always say that
owning a creative mind,
[34:22] which is basically a human
mind, is a little bit
[34:26] like having a Border
Collie for a pet.
[34:28] You've got to give it
something to do or it's going
[34:30] to find a job to do and you
will not like the job it finds.
[34:34] >> You know.
[34:35] >> You know, so that's
why we make things,
[34:37] so that we can keep
this occupied.
[34:41] >> Yeah.
[34:41] >> Or else it's going
to eat the couch.
[34:44] >> Yeah.
[34:44] >> You know.
[34:45] >> Yeah.
[34:46] >> And try -- and start hurting
the mailman like, you know.
[34:49] And, you know, you and I are
very much aligned in this idea
[34:52] that if you're not
creating something,
[34:54] you're probably destroying
something, usually yourself
[34:58] or the people around you.
[34:59] >> Or the people around you.
[35:00] >> You know, and that
there's a way to be creative
[35:03] without destroying yourself
or the people around you.
[35:05] And that is usually, I think,
to let go of the outcome,
[35:08] which you did beautifully
with Harley Loco.
[35:11] And, you know, she
wrote this thing.
[35:13] You know, I was like
write this book.
[35:15] She's like, how?
[35:15] I'm like sit down
and you write it.
[35:18] It's the only way a
book ever got written.
[35:21] >> Oh, she's so vanilla about
telling that story [laughter].
[35:26] She basically dared
me to write this book,
[35:28] and I was like I'm not a writer.
[35:30] Anyway, go ahead.
[35:31] >> And you did it, right.
[35:32] And you -- and I was like just
tell the truth, just tell the --
[35:35] you know how to tell a story.
[35:36] Tell -- pretend you're
talking to me.
[35:38] Tell me what happened.
[35:39] That's what a book is.
[35:39] That's what a story is.
[35:40] It's what any work of art is.
[35:42] It's the thing of like, oh,
[35:43] this is how I saw the
thing that happened.
[35:45] Or this is how I
dreamt -- just do that.
[35:47] And when you were done with
it, and it was terrific and,
[35:52] you know, an agent
loved it immediately,
[35:55] and a major publishing
house loved it immediately,
[35:58] and it happened really fast.
[35:59] Of course, it didn't
happen fast, it was 50 years
[36:02] in the brewing, and
three years writing,
[36:05] and then it was overnight.
[36:06] You know, where suddenly
they were like,
[36:08] oh my God, we love this.
[36:09] I remember your panic
where you said,
[36:12] I never thought anybody
would actually publish this.
[36:15] I have to go back and
take a lot of stuff
[36:17] out of that book [laughter].
[36:20] So I was wondering if you
could speak to that feeling
[36:23] and what happened and like
what you ended up doing?
[36:25] >> Oh man.
[36:26] >> Because you wrote it without
thinking about the outcome,
[36:29] which is how you
should make art.
[36:32] >> I mean, I remember three
years of just sitting there
[36:35] with my two Pitbulls in the
church house that she, you know,
[36:39] made me -- made me go to,
which I'm still there,
[36:44] and just thinking,
okay, this is going
[36:46] to be my cathartic experience.
[36:48] This is -- I'm going
to get it all out.
[36:50] I'm going to be as
honest as possible.
[36:52] I'm going to, you know, and then
when they read it, you know,
[36:56] I did -- it's funny because
I scaled a little bit back
[36:58] on some lesbian sex I
remember, and I was like,
[37:01] oh I don't know -- I
don't know if I want
[37:03] to be pigeonholed as,
you know, whatever.
[37:05] And my -- and I gave it to
them and they were like,
[37:08] can we get a little more
lesbian sex [laughter]?
[37:11] And a little more
about the music scene?
[37:15] And I'm thinking, oh my God,
[37:17] I need to take a couple
things out, you know,
[37:21] a couple of experiences out
and they were like, oh no,
[37:25] we don't want anything out, and
I just remember I was terrified.
[37:30] I was terrified.
[37:31] My family might, you know
-- thank God, I mean,
[37:34] I loved my parents, thank
God they were both gone,
[37:37] because like there was no way my
father could have read the first
[37:42] 10 pages of that book.
[37:44] And like, he would have
died, you know, on the spot.
[37:48] And so, you know, it's just
-- and I had to let go of it.
[37:54] You know, I had to just bite
the bullet and just let it go
[37:58] and just be like, okay,
you have to be strong,
[38:01] you have to be brave, and
you just have to let go
[38:05] of the outcome, because
this is your truth.
[38:07] I mean, it's not a lie.
[38:09] You just -- you put it all out
there not expecting everybody
[38:14] to read it but, you
know what, it's a --
[38:18] you know, I did put
it away and, you know,
[38:21] and I remember sitting -- having
that conversation with you
[38:24] because I was like crying
and not talking to anybody,
[38:28] you know, just -- and she
was like, are you okay?
[38:31] Like this should be a
really happy moment.
[38:34] And I was like I'm
fucking terrified.
[38:36] You used the word, I
was like I don't know.
[38:38] I don't know what's going on.
[38:40] And she goes, you're terrified.
[38:42] And I said, I'm fucking
terrified [laughter].
[38:45] It's like, you know, and
she just said, like look --
[38:48] >> It's just terror [laughter].
[38:50] >> It will pass.
[38:52] It's a feeling.
[38:53] >> You know.
[38:53] >> It will pass.
[38:54] >> It's just terror, and it's
actually a really appropriate
[38:57] way to feel.
[38:58] And creativity always
stirs up terror,
[39:02] because creativity
asks you to enter
[39:04] into realms of uncertain
outcome.
[39:07] And fear hates that
more than anything.
[39:09] And the fear response
[39:11] in you will always
be like, don't do it.
[39:14] And the creativity,
that's always a thing
[39:17] that you just have to expect.
[39:18] And I was like, oh, oh
baby, you're just terrified.
[39:21] >> Yeah.
[39:21] >> That just means you
made something, you know.
[39:25] It's okay, we all are.
[39:26] >> She makes it sound so easy.
[39:28] >> It is.
[39:28] >> That's what I love, you know.
[39:29] >> I mean, and you do, too.
[39:30] I mean, this is the
thing that, you know,
[39:32] a lovely friendship is based on,
mutual need, and the mutual need
[39:37] that you and I continually
have with each other is
[39:39] that we're brave
in different ways.
[39:41] Nobody is -- nobody is
uniformly 100% brave
[39:46] in every aspect of their life.
[39:47] If they are they're -- I don't
know, they're either very,
[39:50] very, very [inaudible] --
[39:51] >> They're super
fucked up [laughter].
[39:52] >> Or they haven't done any
work at all in themselves.
[39:57] And, you know, there's
been different chap --
[39:59] like sort of aspects of
ourselves that we've worked
[40:01] on really well to the
point that we kind
[40:03] of do have a kind of mastery.
[40:04] And I'm really -- I'm very
brave about creativity
[40:07] and I'm very comfortable
with it.
[40:09] And it's really easy for me
to communicate that to you,
[40:12] and it's really easy for me
to see what you can't see,
[40:14] which is that, oh, it's just
terror, you're fine, you know.
[40:17] You've got to keep doing it.
[40:18] What's the -- why stop?
[40:19] And it's really easy
for you when I'm sitting
[40:22] at my laptop shaking over
an e-mail that I have
[40:25] to write someone that's so scary
[40:27] because I'm telling them an
emotional truth, and Rayya is
[40:29] on the other line saying, push
send, honey, just push send.
[40:33] And I'm like, but they
will have a response.
[40:36] She's like, they're allowed
to have a response, you know.
[40:39] And this is what we do for each
other, and sort of you need
[40:42] to make sure that the people
that you bring closest to you
[40:45] in your life are those
people who help you to ascend
[40:49] to the highest possible
potential of yourself.
[40:52] And I think it's just
a wonderful state to be
[40:54] in in middle age where you
attract that, you know,
[40:59] where you're not
attracting people
[41:00] who are foul weather friends,
who only are there for you
[41:04] when things are -- when things
are bad, and you are suffering,
[41:08] and don't want to see
you rise, you know.
[41:10] And I was wondering, too, if you
could just speak for a moment
[41:13] about how you lost
your fear of abundance,
[41:17] how you lost your
fear of happiness,
[41:20] how you lost your fear
of contentment, and peace
[41:23] and learnt to trust
in those things
[41:25] and believe in those things.
[41:27] >> Well I mean the fear
[41:28] of abundance was absolutely
the hardest and easiest thing
[41:33] that I've ever done, and that's
because I lost everything many,
[41:37] many, many, many,
many, many times over.
[41:41] And so I -- you know, I
know myself and I know
[41:47] that if I can stand and I have a
pair scissors in my hand, right,
[41:52] I can make money, whether it's
on a park bench, in a trailer,
[41:56] fuck -- fucking parked in
Albuquerque, or like anywhere,
[42:00] like I know I can
get on my feet.
[42:02] So abundance just natural
-- and having no fear of it,
[42:08] it just naturally comes to me.
[42:11] The abundance of which?
[42:13] >> I was just thinking about the
thing that I see you not doing,
[42:18] which is something I see
a lot of people doing.
[42:21] When things go well
you don't get scared.
[42:23] And there's, you know, you
and I have seen this in people
[42:27] where the minute things
start to go well --
[42:31] >> That's so boring [laughter].
[42:33] >> They get terrified, and I
wonder what it is that you have
[42:36] about that that you're
willing to be like,
[42:38] cool, I'll take it, thanks.
[42:40] >> Well, I mean the thing is,
[42:41] is like when things go
well that's amazing, right.
[42:46] But I mean tomorrow things
may not go so well, right.
[42:49] And it's just --
it's a part of --
[42:51] it's the natural rhythm of life
to have these ups and downs.
[42:54] And my favourite thing
is like that middle --
[42:58] that middle ground, right,
that like nice even wave
[43:01] that you can take a paddleboard
on and just sit, right,
[43:04] and check it out all --
across all the horizons,
[43:08] and it's so amazing, because
happiness is totally overrated
[43:12] because when you're
just like happy then,
[43:16] you know, then you're like sad.
[43:18] It's kind of like --
it's the same thing.
[43:21] It's the same thing, you know.
[43:24] And that's what -- you know,
and that's what kills me.
[43:26] And I've been dead
and I've been alive.
[43:30] And it's just -- they're both
overrated, you know [laughter].
[43:32] I'll take alive a
little more but --
[43:37] you know, but I mean
writing the balance is
[43:40] so incredible, you know.
[43:41] And that's sort of what
I've learnt through life.
[43:44] It's like everything, like don't
make a big deal out of anything.
[43:48] If it's -- you know, this right
here, right now, is the pentacle
[43:53] of everything I've ever
experienced in my life,
[43:57] has brought me to the
fucking Sydney Opera House,
[44:00] me, you know.
[44:02] And we were walking up here
and I said, Liz, this is --
[44:06] this is -- this is it, you know.
[44:08] This is like -- and this is
the absolute best experience I
[44:14] could've ever asked for in
my life for today [applause].
[44:19] >> Yeah.
[44:21] >> You know.
[44:21] I don't know what's
going to happen tomorrow.
[44:25] You know, and it doesn't matter.
[44:27] Because if I end up on a park
bench for whatever reason,
[44:31] I know I've got feet, I've got a
half a brain, and I will endure
[44:37] and I will -- you know, I'm
a really positive person.
[44:41] >> And not just on a park bench.
[44:43] We were -- I have to tell my
favourite story about you.
[44:47] My favourite Australian
story about you.
[44:49] Last year Rayya and I were here,
were at [inaudible] and we went
[44:51] to this nature park
where you could walk
[44:53] around with the lovely animals.
[44:55] And they're all these
lovely wallabies
[44:58] and we had food for
them and stuff.
[44:59] And it was like really a Disney
experience, you know, like purr,
[45:03] little birds flying and
[inaudible] on the ground,
[45:05] or whatever they're called.
[45:06] [ Inaudible ]
[45:07] And we're sort of like
one with nature and it's
[45:11] like beautiful sunshine and
she's got a sort of corona
[45:14] of joy and light around her and
I'm watching her enjoying this
[45:17] and she's feeding all the
wallabies and she's --
[45:20] this one big ass male
wallaby dude comes up to her
[45:24] and he grabs her Prada purse.
[45:26] And she gives him a little bit
but she's got all these other --
[45:29] and he goes like this,
and I've never seen --
[45:32] because I didn't know
Rayya back in the day
[45:34] when she lived on the streets.
[45:36] I've never seen -- I didn't know
you in gaol at Rikers Island.
[45:40] I didn't know like when,
you know, you were --
[45:43] kicked people's asses.
[45:45] So anyway, this dude,
this wallaby.
[45:49] >> Big wallaby, big.
[45:50] >> He comes up and he reaches
for the bag again, and she turns
[45:53] around and this face I've seen
on you before, and she goes,
[45:55] fuck off motherfucker
[laughter].
[46:00] And the wallaby is like, whoa,
[46:02] like literally puts
his little hands
[46:06] up like this and he's like.
[46:07] >> He was like.
[46:14] >> We're cool, we're cool.
[46:17] >> And he took off.
[46:20] It was -- and then
she said, oh my God,
[46:22] I've never seen that
side of you.
[46:25] I was like, get the fuck
out of here motherfucker.
[46:32] And he -- and he -- and she
goes, oh my God, I've never seen
[46:37] that side of you and I was
like, what side [laughter]?
[46:41] And she was like, oh
my God, I've never seen
[46:45] that street side of you.
[46:47] And I was like --
[46:49] >> Between the enormous,
beating, passionate heart
[46:52] that you carry, and
that badass [inaudible],
[46:57] you will always be fine
anywhere in the world.
[47:01] So well, we've got a
minute and what I want
[47:08] to do is ask Rayya
to sing for us.
[47:12] Rayya is many things, and one
[47:14] of the things she is is
a fantastic musician,
[47:18] lots of record deals back in
the '80s, just is fabulous.
[47:25] And she's going to sing
a very special song.
[47:31] I was going to sing, too, but
you know I only know the words
[47:36] to one song, the
Game of Thrones.
[47:38] >> Oh, oh, oh, she's horrible.
[47:40] >> I've been tormenting
everybody lately.
[47:42] >> So I -- because it's
International Women's Day,
[47:45] and because Liz Gilbert wrote
this amazing book called The
[47:50] Signature of All Things, I wrote
a song about Alma Whitaker.
[47:55] And -- because she is heroin
to all of us, pardon the pun,
[47:57] and I fell love with this
character and you will, too,
[47:58] if you haven't read it.
[47:59] >> Before you go can I
make a special request?
[48:00] >> What?
[48:00] >> Can you sanctify this
space before you begin?
[48:01] I've only ever heard you do this
once and I'm going to put you
[48:03] on the spot and ask
you to do it again.
[48:04] Rayya was raised in Syria.
[48:04] English is her fourth language.
[48:05] Her first was a combination --
[48:06] well Arabic and then her
grandmother's language
[48:07] of Aromaic.
[48:08] And --
[48:08] >> Oh my God.
[48:08] >> Once --
[48:08] >> What are you fucking
doing [laughter]?
[48:09] >> Will you sing --
[48:09] >> I can't say no.
[48:09] >> To make it Holy, and because
we're in the Opera House,
[48:11] a few lines of the Lord's Prayer
in Aromaic as taught to you
[48:12] by your grandmother in Syria?
[48:13] >> I'm not religious, but
this is such a beautiful hymn.
[48:14] I'll sing just one verse.
[48:21] [ Singing in Foreign Language ]
[48:51] That's it.
[48:53] [ Applause ]
[48:58] Wow, thanks, Liz.
[49:00] >> Thank you.
[49:00] >> It felt really good.
[49:01] >> Yeah, it felt
good for us, too.
[49:03] >> Wow, okay.
[49:05] So this song is called
Touch the Ground.
[49:07] And like I said,
it's about Alma.
[49:15] [ Guitar Playing and Singing ]
[54:11] I love you, Liz,
and Alma, thank you.
[54:14] >> And, Rayya, I
love you [applause].
[54:15] >> Thank you so much.
[54:19] [ Applause ]
[54:23] >> Take a bow.
[54:24] Give me that.
[54:25] I won't drop it.
[54:27] Take a bow.
[54:28] Rayya Elias, everybody.
[54:30] Take your bow at the
Sydney Opera House.
[54:35] >> Thank you so much.
[54:36] [ Applause ]