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[0:11] hi I'm Jonathan fields and this is good
[0:13] life project my guest today is Danielle
[0:15] leaport good friend of mine the author
[0:17] of Fire Starter sessions incredible
[0:18] writer speaker um the creator of
[0:21] something called desire map and um a
[0:24] whole bunch of other just amazing
[0:26] experiences that help people lean into
[0:28] life and
[0:29] explore actually embrace it and and get
[0:32] what they want out of it so it's awesome
[0:33] be hanging out with you I'm so happy to
[0:35] be here lean into to life I like that I
[0:37] like
[0:39] that um it's kind of funny my last book
[0:41] at one point was exploring like lean in
[0:43] and then apparently somebody else took
[0:46] the title some much a little bit later
[0:48] dammer yeah uh so it's so fun to be
[0:51] hanging out with you today we've known
[0:52] each other for a while and we' sort of
[0:54] like seen each other explore like and
[0:56] move through different parts of our
[0:57] Journeys together and um I want to take
[1:00] a step back back with you I want get
[1:01] into desire map and what you're doing
[1:02] with it and but take a step back cuz
[1:05] you've kind of had this really
[1:06] fascinating Journey which is not a
[1:07] straight line um and there's so much
[1:10] humanity and there's struggle and
[1:12] there's Triumph there's exploration I
[1:14] love people to be able to sort of
[1:15] benefit from your journey um and to see
[1:19] the humanity of it to see the fact that
[1:22] you know you you lean into it and that
[1:23] you sort of you keep exploring and
[1:25] learning and growing so um not starting
[1:28] when you were five but you know
[1:31] what are you saying my childhood isn't
[1:32] relevant no I'm saying completely
[1:34] irrelevant we just can't go there today
[1:37] I was born in
[1:39] Canada I know the end of the sentence um
[1:43] so you start out professionally let's
[1:45] sort of like take in on that level and
[1:46] we'll kind of dance around it okay the
[1:49] highlights are that I think this is
[1:52] really relevant I didn't go to
[1:54] university so I never had a box to get
[1:57] in and out of it's out of the box I
[1:59] still feel really really uncomfortable
[2:01] in any academic setting like even
[2:03] cafeteras at universities I'm just like
[2:06] how what what do people do here um do
[2:09] you speak at universities at all no okay
[2:12] no would you they haven't called yeah
[2:14] and I'd probably say leave
[2:17] now I would say half of you probably
[2:20] aren't meant to be here for like the
[2:22] shape of your
[2:23] soul you you don't need this to do to be
[2:27] who you are and um yeah
[2:31] um what makes you I mean the first thing
[2:33] you said was like you called the
[2:35] University of box let's kind I want to
[2:37] explore this more a little bit actually
[2:38] what is it about sort of like
[2:40] universities or or mainstream education
[2:42] or however it is you want that in your
[2:44] mind makes it a box right answer wrong
[2:47] answer uh the grading system the karma
[2:51] of teachers you know I even look at
[2:55] grade school and my young son and you
[2:59] know it's really clear how one one
[3:00] teacher can set his course for a year if
[3:03] not longer and what if that just there
[3:06] isn't that there isn't a click there
[3:08] isn't a resonance what if your teacher
[3:11] doesn't get you and it's not about
[3:13] evoking it's about cramming and pushing
[3:17] and oh painful tragic and that's life
[3:20] right that's like friction and and
[3:22] creative tension and that's how it
[3:25] really works in the real world you're
[3:26] going to you're going to bump up against
[3:29] different paradigms but
[3:30] which in school I don't want it to be
[3:32] that way I want it to be I want it to be
[3:36] more like a a bowl you know instead of
[3:40] you fitting into a peg yeah so more
[3:43] nourishing sort of like who you are and
[3:45] finding your voice your soul your spirit
[3:47] yeah before people start to yeah before
[3:50] you start like bump up you go to get
[3:52] shaped how ridiculous is that like I
[3:55] actually think we come fully
[3:57] formed you know it's like we need to be
[4:00] on our tracks and we need to be nursed
[4:02] and we need to be fed but you don't you
[4:05] don't go to school to figure out a right
[4:08] way and a wrong way to be you should
[4:10] enter a system that helps you that that
[4:14] evokes who you already are your essence
[4:16] your original Self and then now I mean
[4:18] you've already got me on a t on a on a
[4:21] whole train but you know nobody in
[4:24] school ever asked me how I wanted to
[4:27] feel not that day not that semester let
[4:30] alone in my life and yet they're they're
[4:32] helping me plan for my life nobody
[4:37] said how do you want to feel oh I want
[4:40] to feel powerful I want to feel I want
[4:42] to use my
[4:44] imagination right like I took one of
[4:46] those those aptitude tests and I
[4:50] supposed to be a fashion designer or a
[4:56] Rancher no we're a fashion designing
[4:58] Rancher yeah it worked for Ralph Lauren
[5:02] actually yeah all right or you could
[5:04] design outfits for ranchers yeah yeah I
[5:07] like Cowboys
[5:09] so um so you go from this place of
[5:12] saying okay you like mainstream
[5:14] education not for me not my path um
[5:17] where' you go from there I mean what's
[5:19] the evolution it's worth saying that
[5:21] that was unconscious like I wasn't like
[5:24] education is not for me it was just like
[5:25] hey I'm going to bartend until I figure
[5:27] out what I'm going to do um then you
[5:30] know then there was this Trail I started
[5:33] hustling some people at radio stations
[5:35] and writing press releases met someone
[5:37] at a party once they said what do you do
[5:39] I said oh I get people gigs they said
[5:40] you're a publicist I said I am a
[5:43] publicist I need to go get a business
[5:44] card and one of the people that one of
[5:48] my clients was a
[5:50] futurist and that's where I learned the
[5:53] value of you you you hang out in a small
[5:55] pond like you get momentum when you
[5:58] stick with a theme when you stick with a
[5:59] track
[6:01] and so I ended up running a think tank
[6:02] in Washington DC where I was asked every
[6:05] day uh either to sign an NDA or what my
[6:09] alma matter was I didn't even know what
[6:11] an alma matter was I had to look it up
[6:13] was that and I used my lack of Education
[6:16] to my advantage that was it was a bit of
[6:19] an ego thing but I was like I didn't go
[6:21] to Harvard I just went to high school I
[6:23] must have something going for me to be
[6:25] here without that so you're hanging out
[6:27] in Washington you're a tank what does
[6:29] that mean
[6:30] uh yeah it was totally surreal so you
[6:32] get a bunch of smart people together
[6:35] usually deemed by themselves that
[6:36] they're smart
[6:38] s and you write white papers and you
[6:41] hope that someone's going to buy those
[6:43] white papers you put all your ideas
[6:45] together this is what we think the
[6:46] future of weapons of mass destruction
[6:48] look like this is what we think is going
[6:50] to happen with the future of water and
[6:52] water wars we were future study Sy tank
[6:54] so was scenario planning this is how we
[6:56] think Trends are going to collide or
[6:58] converge and um hopefully you dear
[7:02] Pentagon want to pay us hundreds of
[7:04] thousands of dollars for these white
[7:05] papers and we have to stop hustling for
[7:07] nonprofit money um or someone in the
[7:11] news is going to want to quote one of us
[7:14] and that's what a think tank is and it's
[7:18] it's
[7:20] uh it's like Hollywood in DC think tanks
[7:24] yeah so it was so weird and cool there's
[7:26] a Vibe um education thing tanks when you
[7:31] talk about
[7:33] them it's not what a wonderful
[7:37] thing I think this is going to be
[7:41] therapy yeah no that was that was that's
[7:45] resist that's like me finding my way in
[7:47] the world that's like pushing against
[7:49] systems to Define myself that's learning
[7:53] what I'm made out of that's faking it to
[7:57] make it that's impostor complex that's
[7:59] what it is
[8:00] doctor it's imposter complex you go home
[8:02] at night wearing black suits and you
[8:06] know bob haircut no tattoos
[8:09] loafers and uh I just Dy in a smoke a
[8:12] marbro cigarette and read Rolling Stone
[8:15] magazine
[8:17] and but all this stuff all the stuff
[8:20] outside this is So Glamorous it's so the
[8:24] intelligencia the the supposed
[8:27] sophistication and that's a huge test I
[8:29] mean I would dare say that was one of my
[8:33] first Heroes Journeys
[8:36] to to just go to be with all of
[8:39] that and just be like I I'm really not
[8:42] that interested in the future I really
[8:45] want to talk about love and I want to
[8:48] paint and I want to and I'm an
[8:50] entrepreneur and I want to go make my
[8:52] own thing and my own money
[8:55] and even the nonprofit model didn't work
[8:58] for me I was like this is this does this
[9:00] is dysfunctional this grubbing for money
[9:03] all the time and there's another way to
[9:04] do this we need to go make money
[9:06] ourselves marriage so it seems like I
[9:08] mean dysfunctional systems bother you
[9:13] yes just oh my God I can't walk into a
[9:15] restaurant without going there's the
[9:18] serving and the thing and the lighting
[9:19] and the Jazz and
[9:21] oh yeah design is love like good design
[9:25] is love it's well thought every and good
[9:29] design
[9:30] considers everybody it considers your
[9:33] emotions it considers the
[9:38] ecology there's Beauty in it I mean good
[9:41] design is there's always an there's
[9:42] always some kind of Elegance to
[9:45] it um yeah so I I
[9:49] guess I'm a deeper systems lover than
[9:53] maybe I knew but now that I'm here on
[9:54] your couch am I going to have to pay you
[9:56] for this it's on me first time
[10:02] after that we'll loog you into a
[10:06] series no it's it's really fascinating
[10:08] to me because you're somebody who builds
[10:11] systems yourself you're somebody who
[10:13] loves reverse engineering figuring out
[10:16] processes Maps systems like ways to get
[10:20] people from A to B right but it's it's
[10:23] also clearly like it's it it feels like
[10:26] so much of it is
[10:28] like you're
[10:30] you know part of it is a desire to
[10:31] actually build something that's
[10:32] functional and works and then part of it
[10:34] is desire to basically like you know
[10:36] like give the finger to all of the
[10:38] dysfunctional systems that exist that
[10:40] stop people from going where they want
[10:42] to go yeah you know what I my conclusion
[10:45] with all those dysfunctional systems is
[10:47] that if you want to be an agent of
[10:50] change you actually have to get out of
[10:52] the system and it isn't that let me
[10:54] rephrase that I need to get out of the
[10:56] system to be an agent of change I don't
[10:58] think it's that way for everybody I mean
[11:00] some of us are called to stay in the
[11:03] system to work in universities to be in
[11:06] politics to work in
[11:07] government um but I think I'm at my best
[11:10] when I'm I'm outside of it I don't even
[11:12] buy a ticket to the
[11:14] [Music]
[11:16] game so what's that
[11:18] about I need to be free I need to be
[11:21] free to create and when I'm creating I'm
[11:23] a of service and that Loop goes round
[11:27] and round it's like it's all about me
[11:30] it's all about feeling good it's all
[11:31] about Freedom it's all about fulfilled
[11:35] desire and when that starts happening
[11:38] then I can serve and it's cyclical cuz
[11:42] you know I feel really driven to
[11:44] serve and I've been this way for a long
[11:47] time I think it's a lot of past lives as
[11:49] a nun and I really feel righteous about
[11:53] that like I have my time here I have to
[11:57] be alleviating suffering
[12:01] so I don't know which came first I want
[12:04] to be self-expressed or I want to
[12:06] alleviate suffering but what I know to
[12:09] be true now is that both have to be
[12:11] happening right yeah yeah and for you to
[12:14] make both happen you got to create the
[12:16] own you got to create the playing field
[12:19] yeah yeah I know what I want so how long
[12:23] does it take you to get there uh I'm
[12:25] still getting there I make compromises
[12:28] that just little little kind of paper
[12:32] cut
[12:33] compromises that I
[12:35] go didn't have to do that stay steady
[12:39] with the
[12:40] vision
[12:45] um yeah took a while took a while so
[12:51] let's trace the journey a little bit
[12:52] more um you were loving your time at
[12:55] this Washington thing
[12:58] tank you decided to go off and and
[13:00] basically bail on that and do your own
[13:03] thing but again where do you move in
[13:05] yeah that didn't turn out well
[13:08] either so then I got into like this kind
[13:12] of Soulful
[13:13] branding
[13:15] concept and I brought a partner we I I
[13:19] partner with somebody we had this we had
[13:22] this concept we did the one-on-one
[13:24] Consulting kept raising our rates and
[13:26] then we wrote a book based on this and
[13:29] we were really clear all along we didn't
[13:31] want to be Consultants doing fee for
[13:33] service stuff
[13:35] making six figures a year and going into
[13:38] an office every day we wanted a
[13:40] multi-million dollar company and there I
[13:42] was again I want to be free money is
[13:44] going to make me free the more money the
[13:46] Freer you are that's not true and um so
[13:50] I raised some money we raised some money
[13:53] and uh we didn't get on Oprah even
[13:55] though there was a lot of romance there
[13:57] for a while and then then the CEO who I
[14:00] hired fired me so I was constructively
[14:04] dismissed from my own incorporation I'd
[14:07] made myself an employee that made sense
[14:09] at the time and uh so are you open to
[14:12] like sharing what happened yeah I got
[14:17] quiet the more money we raised the more
[14:21] quiet I became and not in the great
[14:23] introvert quiet
[14:25] sense um I felt like to
[14:31] discuss my feelings the fact that I
[14:34] wasn't like in joy we weren't laughing
[14:37] there wasn't laughter happening in the
[14:38] studio anymore these weren't relevant
[14:41] things anymore to our our
[14:44] shareholders
[14:45] and
[14:47] um yeah it was ter it was I dreaded
[14:51] going in it was the dread came back I
[14:54] remember the day I gave over signing
[14:56] Authority on the corporate checking
[14:58] account my checking account my name so
[15:01] and so and Danielle
[15:03] Inc and I didn't question the rules this
[15:05] was another time where I didn't question
[15:08] that it could be a different way because
[15:11] it didn't feel right oh this is how the
[15:13] corporate structure works you have X
[15:15] amount of seats on your board and you
[15:18] need to step here and sit ridiculous
[15:21] absurd absurd absurd my body knew it was
[15:23] absurd I couldn't breathe when I went
[15:25] into the office i' put my hand on the
[15:28] door knob every morning morning with my
[15:30] name on the
[15:32] door I have to psych myself up so my ass
[15:35] got
[15:36] canned
[15:38] and uh I was told I was going to write
[15:40] blog posts from home could I return my
[15:43] computer and my office
[15:45] chair uh lots of lawyers got involved
[15:48] and my shrank and a few business coaches
[15:50] and a good
[15:52] Buddhist uh uh counselor
[15:56] and lots of Rage and I realized that my
[16:01] all the Betrayal and all the theatrics
[16:03] that happened in that situation cuz
[16:05] there was a lot of
[16:07] betrayal that was a reflection of my
[16:09] betraying
[16:11] myself every time I didn't open my mouth
[16:14] and say this is wrong or I want this
[16:18] betrayal every time I went into that
[16:20] office with a fake smile betrayal and it
[16:25] manifested yeah and then I I hit the
[16:29] running after that actually it was great
[16:32] yeah so what was it that allowed you to
[16:35] go from that place to hitting the ground
[16:37] running what changed I knew even in the
[16:40] moment you know I drove home after we
[16:42] had we had a meeting in Starbucks where
[16:44] I was I and my partner were dismissed we
[16:47] were informed that the business model
[16:48] was changing I drove home screaming in
[16:52] my
[16:54] car you know the bad
[16:57] mascara and even in that I just thought
[16:59] I'm free I mean part of that scream was
[17:02] like oh can't believe this happened what
[17:06] and then it was also like I'm free at
[17:09] the same time and that was and I just I
[17:12] made promises to myself that that week
[17:15] of I will never dummy down ever again
[17:18] I'm going to say [ __ ] [ __ ] and
[17:21] [ __ ] on my blog if I want to I'm
[17:24] going to choose the pan tones I want I'm
[17:27] going helvetica
[17:29] people the biggest sin of
[17:33] allica and I really didn't look back
[17:37] now I that's when I stood up fire
[17:39] starter sessions I you know basically
[17:42] put an ad up of one post on my blog I
[17:45] had 60 subscribers I started with 60
[17:49] subscribers
[17:51] and I said I can help people start
[17:54] businesses I know how to do this I know
[17:56] how to stand stuff up and I was aund
[18:01] what was I it was $300 for a session I
[18:04] went to 16 cities in a year living rooms
[18:07] pole dancing Studios wherever they would
[18:09] have me paid for my own
[18:10] flights and at the end of that I had a
[18:14] book what gave you this is a permission
[18:19] question right so you come from a
[18:21] background
[18:22] where boom boom boom boom boom things
[18:24] don't work out you're learning a lot
[18:26] you're growing a lot and in your mind
[18:28] like yeah okay I'm some a flip you has
[18:33] switched something's changed I'm capable
[18:36] and I can serve people on a deep level
[18:41] um what gives you Surly the ability to
[18:44] go out and then say I can do this when a
[18:47] lot of people would look and say um well
[18:49] you can't do that because Ed you you've
[18:52] never done it yourself publicly I'll
[18:54] tell you I want it that's it I want to
[18:57] do it I want to I want to do it it I
[18:59] guess in an unconscious way I've always
[19:02] been really in touch with my desire I
[19:06] want it I am going to go get it and um
[19:11] you know sometimes I went and got stuff
[19:12] at the cost
[19:14] of um just of my own health you know
[19:18] that
[19:19] Fierce goal chasing and know you know
[19:22] I've completely changed my relationship
[19:24] to goal
[19:25] setting
[19:27] yeah yeah so at that that point um what
[19:30] feeling are you
[19:31] chasing at that
[19:34] point I
[19:36] [Music]
[19:40] want I want to be
[19:44] seen no I want to be seen with a a
[19:50] rapacious
[19:52] hunger yeah but then you have enough
[19:57] therapy and you
[20:00] my turning point in that was that this
[20:05] is so ironic it's so it's so divinely
[20:10] ironic I always felt guilty for wanting
[20:12] to be
[20:13] seen there I felt this weight about the
[20:18] striving to be seen and when I finally
[20:21] realized that this was like this was a
[20:24] Divine impulse this was actually really
[20:27] healthy that humans a most of us want to
[20:31] be experienced seen heard and felt right
[20:35] basic I needed to go back to that basic
[20:37] level of like you know Danielle not only
[20:40] is this healthy like this is universal
[20:43] whoa okay this is a universal craving
[20:46] I'm not I'm not needy this isn't a
[20:49] Hungry Ghost that's driving everything I
[20:52] do and then when I really started to
[20:55] honor it as like this impulse almost
[20:57] like a
[20:59] I wouldn't say a calling but like a
[21:01] healthy you know healthy
[21:04] momentum then the question became how
[21:07] can I make myself seen
[21:09] today and because for me to be seen is
[21:12] for me to be of service I have something
[21:14] to say that is useful and I was really
[21:17] clear like also in that journey of like
[21:20] the desire to be seen is is actually
[21:22] good let's be righteous about this um
[21:26] then I got clear on
[21:30] my desire to my like just like I'm
[21:33] obsessed with utility this goes back
[21:35] to good systems like I want to be a good
[21:39] system yeah how can I be a good system
[21:41] for you today how can I like make this a
[21:45] great interview how can I listen how can
[21:46] I be an Engaged listener like I'm a yeah
[21:50] it's
[21:53] um it's it's the past life being a nun
[21:57] really
[21:59] and all goes back to
[22:01] that
[22:05] nuns so because it's really fascinating
[22:09] how sort of like you keep circling back
[22:10] to these interesting things but you know
[22:13] it's I'm always curious about you like
[22:15] what's the why behind it what's the the
[22:17] feeling that you want to create in that
[22:19] moment in time and has that evolve you
[22:20] know so starts from wanting to be seen
[22:23] mhm but you know that's that that's that
[22:26] moment in time mhm you know and you're
[22:29] you you've evolved you know I don't does
[22:33] has that gone away at all because to me
[22:36] I still want to be seen and
[22:39] heard not on a big level like I don't
[22:42] need attention I don't need media but
[22:43] and that's not the way you're using it's
[22:45] just to be seen for the essence of who
[22:48] you are yeah and not some facade and I
[22:51] think at this point I don't every once
[22:54] in a while I have Pang with it but I
[22:55] don't really sense that in myself I feel
[22:57] like the people who m in my life see me
[22:59] for who I am um and and accept me um and
[23:03] I think with a lot of people that's an
[23:06] evolutionary step once you f like once
[23:08] you sort of move there so M I'm there
[23:11] with you I
[23:13] feel you know another layer to that
[23:16] Journey was I learned to see
[23:18] myself yeah I see me it starts I know
[23:22] who I am I know what my motives
[23:25] are um you know somebody just asked me
[23:27] recently like
[23:29] like what's what's a mantra that you
[23:32] have that kind of gets you
[23:35] through and it's actually very soft like
[23:38] my Mantra that gets me through all
[23:40] things is I'm loving I know I'm a loving
[23:44] person even when I [ __ ]
[23:47] up I I still just want to be that loving
[23:50] person you know and so that's what gets
[23:52] me through so um that's the biggest
[23:55] recognition that's my most fundamental
[23:57] truth about myself
[23:59] I am love and um where were we going
[24:03] with that where are we going I get
[24:05] distracted by love
[24:06] sorry um you're going to be distracted
[24:08] by something that's a good thing the
[24:10] evolution of sort of like being the
[24:12] evolution yeah and then you know doing
[24:16] what we do and you you you get a bit of
[24:18] a public profile um I struggle with that
[24:22] as well that in that I know that to do
[24:25] what I want to do like I'm a
[24:27] broadcaster
[24:29] like when I meet with my shrink I go how
[24:30] can you do this one-on-one stuff like I
[24:31] want to talk to lots of people um and
[24:34] for my business to be successful you
[24:36] know our revenue is tied to our
[24:37] visibility
[24:39] right
[24:40] um so some of that does get fed that
[24:45] healthy bottom line and need to be seen
[24:48] I get recognition that I it feels great
[24:52] um and I've also learned
[24:54] [Music]
[24:56] to detach to is a really
[24:59] clinical heavy Buddhist word but I
[25:02] detach myself a lot from a lot of it too
[25:04] so I'm at a place now
[25:06] where I don't take the Accolade
[25:09] seriously uh or too personally I should
[25:12] say and I don't take the criticism
[25:13] personally at all no and S I mean we've
[25:17] gone through similar experiences on that
[25:19] level um I don't have any I don't have
[25:22] this strong ego need to be sitting in
[25:23] front of the camera um in fact I would
[25:27] my organic nature is much more
[25:28] introverted I'd rather not be the one
[25:30] who's seen But El know like you said to
[25:33] a certain extent my ability to have
[25:35] these conversations my ability to grow
[25:38] an audience who I can I can serve in
[25:40] some way I can share these conversations
[25:41] with my ability to write books to
[25:42] generate revenue is tied to a certain
[25:45] amount of public profile you got to
[25:48] hustle and so there's this interesting
[25:50] thing because you know I'm much more
[25:52] private person um and I don't have this
[25:54] ego need to to like be fed in that way
[25:59] um but at the same time I know it's it's
[26:01] good it helps me build the business I
[26:03] want to build and serve on the level
[26:04] that I want to serve so there's always
[26:06] this balancing that's going on in my
[26:08] mind I don't know if you have the same
[26:10] thing don't you think like in in our
[26:14] beginnings we sort of needed that ego
[26:16] need like you got to hustle you got to
[26:19] want to be visible to do
[26:21] this
[26:23] um yeah there's something like you know
[26:27] we've all been talking for is about
[26:28] growing our traffic this is about how
[26:30] you build an
[26:31] audience no and it's interesting cuz for
[26:34] me that's always been a struggle for me
[26:36] because I don't want to be public or I
[26:38] don't have a need to be I love being on
[26:40] stage when I speak but when I'm done I
[26:42] want to be off I want to be gone yes you
[26:44] know I love having these conversations I
[26:45] love the fact that if there's some
[26:47] nugget that happens to Tumble out like I
[26:49] get to speak to incredible people like
[26:50] you and share whatever thoughts are on
[26:53] your mind with people who may in some
[26:54] way benefit and turn around and live
[26:55] better lives you know um
[26:59] but part of the reason why this show is
[27:00] largely interview format or conversation
[27:02] format is because I don't want it to be
[27:04] about
[27:05] me I don't have that need um but I know
[27:09] that from uh building and I've had this
[27:12] conversations with Publishers and I know
[27:13] you have also you know where that my
[27:15] first book there was I wasn't in the
[27:17] book anywhere and they're like no your
[27:20] your story has to lead and be woven
[27:23] throughout the whole thing and I said
[27:24] but I don't have any need to be that
[27:26] that to have that story there and they
[27:28] what you need to so it's always been
[27:30] this interesting dance
[27:32] mhm yeah well we need to hear your story
[27:34] so we can trust you yeah and I get and I
[27:37] get it like on intelligent level I
[27:38] totally get it um yeah anyway back to
[27:44] you I we were getting close to like roll
[27:46] reversal there I was going to be your
[27:48] shrink for a minute I don't have to pay
[27:51] you so so you're hanging out and you
[27:55] like you start down this whole new road
[27:56] and you're on this global trip of
[27:58] helping people in doing Fire Starter
[28:00] sessions and what's really cool is the
[28:02] fact you know I ask you where your proof
[28:03] and like and you're basically saying I'm
[28:05] showing up and the fact that I know that
[28:07] I'm smart I know that I can help people
[28:09] I know they can solve problems and if I
[28:11] can just get people in the room with me
[28:12] they'll get it like that and that's all
[28:15] I need um it's an amazing thing to do
[28:19] like do you own
[28:21] that H do I own that
[28:26] um I got my
[28:29] oxy
[28:31] yeah yeah is that just you or can people
[28:34] learn
[28:38] that I have I had a conversation
[28:41] recently about
[28:43] Charisma I don't think Charisma can be
[28:47] learned but I think magnetism can be
[28:49] learned so what's the difference um well
[28:53] my associations with Charisma and see
[28:56] the systems thinker in me really wants
[28:57] to nail down a definition like I really
[28:59] want us to all have buin about the
[29:01] definition of Charisma so we can measure
[29:03] things against it but for me Charisma is
[29:08] you know it's about Dynamic there's a
[29:10] Showmanship to it um
[29:14] um there's some theatrics to it there's
[29:18] performance and Charisma has a shadow
[29:20] side and it has a light side you can be
[29:23] a charismatic you know you can be a
[29:26] charismatic um
[29:29] not
[29:30] everybody you can't you can't even train
[29:33] somebody for that you can train someone
[29:35] to be a more articulate speaker right
[29:39] but I don't think um you know you're a
[29:42] good writer or you're not you you have
[29:44] the talent I really think Charisma is in
[29:46] the same bucket for me as Talent Natural
[29:49] Born talents magnetism my goodness
[29:52] different thing you can be not very
[29:55] charismatic at all you can be quite
[29:58] you can be quiet you can be behind the
[30:00] scenes you can be not Dynamic not
[30:03] engaging you can be incredibly
[30:05] magnetic
[30:08] um presence mag magnetism is really
[30:12] about presence Charisma you don't
[30:15] necessarily have to be present you can
[30:17] put on a
[30:18] show um that's the dark Charisma but
[30:22] magnetism is I'm here I'm listening I'm
[30:26] paying attention
[30:30] yeah it's quiet person in the room and
[30:31] you
[30:32] go you you're something vibing off of
[30:39] you yeah so you can build a system
[30:42] around that
[30:43] yeah are we documenting this cuz there's
[30:46] a new system there coming out
[30:51] soon formula it's like I know your head
[30:54] not to
[30:55] self um so as you're going around and
[30:59] and it's interesting because we could go
[31:00] on sort of like the whole Talent thing
[31:02] for a while now and there's so many such
[31:05] strong divides and strong opinions about
[31:06] that
[31:07] um the you know but I I kind of want to
[31:10] like keep moving on your journey because
[31:11] there's some really cool stuff to
[31:13] come as you're moving around and you're
[31:16] doing these Fire Starter sessions and
[31:18] you're learning and you're serving
[31:19] you're getting paid and you're building
[31:21] a business and you're building an
[31:22] audience and like you said and this
[31:25] becomes my first book you know this is
[31:27] essentially becomes you know a body of
[31:31] work so but take me a little bit deeper
[31:33] into it because it literally does you
[31:35] weren't just saying as a figure of
[31:36] speech it does become a bestselling book
[31:38] called the fire starter sessions
[31:40] so yeah well I'm I'm I'm like in living
[31:45] room number 12 jamming with a group of
[31:49] anywhere like you know 20 to 30
[31:51] entrepreneurs mostly women and like a
[31:53] handful of metrosexual men and um I
[31:58] realize nobody is giving themselves
[32:01] permission to want what they want forget
[32:05] about even going after it forget about
[32:08] executing like they're looking to me and
[32:11] each other like is it okay that I want
[32:13] to bust out is it okay that I want to
[32:16] make more is it okay that I want to
[32:19] retire like yeah it's all yes and I
[32:24] thought oh there's a gold vein in there
[32:28] of there's a nerve there and why is that
[32:32] why are we not giving ourselves
[32:34] permission to just want what we
[32:38] want and of course the magic comes in
[32:40] once you fully own your desires you know
[32:42] your synapses start firing at a
[32:44] different level and solutions start
[32:46] coming in and I think you start you
[32:49] start emanating something and the right
[32:52] people come in but I think until you
[32:54] fully want what you want you're going to
[32:57] be swimming
[32:58] Upstream it's funny recent I was having
[33:00] a conversation with someone recently
[33:03] who's um kind of legend in the music
[33:04] business and he was saying
[33:07] um you and and he's I'm not sure when
[33:10] this is going to air but he's in one of
[33:11] these conversations um and he was saying
[33:14] you know he learned at a very young
[33:16] age uh to ask for what he wanted mhm and
[33:21] when you do that very often you get it
[33:24] but we're just trained not to for some
[33:27] reason
[33:28] MH I don't know whether it's a a modesty
[33:30] thing or a humility thing MH or uh if I
[33:33] actually say it and it becomes real and
[33:36] then I don't get it then I have to deal
[33:39] with you know like what that's all about
[33:42] yes I call it the request
[33:44] muscle and I think it's the most
[33:46] atrophied muscle in in humanity really
[33:51] is we don't ask we ex we for for lots of
[33:56] reasons mostly it's fear driven but we
[33:59] don't ask we don't ask I think even I
[34:04] know in my own Journey like I've been
[34:06] reluctant to ask for some things in even
[34:08] a state of
[34:09] prayer like do I deserve it am I to this
[34:13] am I to that no I want
[34:17] it and then you go to the next level I
[34:19] want this with all my
[34:21] heart no matter how crazy it looks it is
[34:24] scary that's scary it is that's great I
[34:28] mean the place everybody goes is what if
[34:30] I don't get I
[34:32] know yeah I mean you're an insightful
[34:34] dude so it's I don't have to say that
[34:36] insightful but lots of people don't get
[34:39] that that full-on desire is really scary
[34:43] stuff so there's this Evolution from
[34:46] firear recessions to a focus on desire
[34:49] yeah and how people work yeah uh well I
[34:53] got tired about talking about making
[34:55] money and so that was of what most
[34:58] people would organically default to how
[35:01] do you mean what you say you got tired
[35:03] of talking about money like in a lot of
[35:05] the sessions you were doing and stuff
[35:06] like that well it's about
[35:07] entrepreneurship you know it's about
[35:09] building a business T to be the bottom
[35:11] line instead of hey what do I want out
[35:13] of life how you can hustle and I
[35:15] realized you know when I had my 500th
[35:17] conversation about how to get more
[35:20] people on Twitter I was just like and
[35:21] you know and whenever I have that that
[35:23] thought that crosses my mind of somebody
[35:25] could be doing this better than I can it
[35:27] I'm out I'm done time to move on so
[35:33] um about 8 years ago so this is the
[35:36] desire story I was doing some goal
[35:39] setting on New Year's Eve and I looked
[35:42] at all my stuff and I was like so
[35:43] uninspired this is
[35:45] boring and I just started writing
[35:47] feeling words so you know everything we
[35:49] new dining room table Hawaii pay off the
[35:53] MasterCard
[35:55] yawn and get another you know write five
[35:58] books that you or something
[36:00] and how about courage how about
[36:04] abundance how about sexy how about Earth
[36:06] how about natural whatever well that
[36:08] changed everything and I uh didn't think
[36:12] much about it but I thought about those
[36:14] words throughout the year and then I
[36:16] would write those words out on a little
[36:18] Post-It note that would sit in my daytim
[36:21] about five
[36:23] feelings
[36:25] and I would start planning my year
[36:27] around those five feelings and it
[36:30] changed my life feelings this is how I
[36:32] want to feel Y and it's what became my
[36:35] core desired
[36:37] feelings
[36:38] and that's the desire map and I Guinea
[36:42] pigged it I made these ugly white
[36:44] binders and I gave them to friends and I
[36:46] said ask yourself these questions and
[36:49] come up with four or five feelings and
[36:51] then make your
[36:52] plans see if you do a business plan
[36:54] according to these feelings my friends
[36:57] came back and like this works I want to
[37:00] set my goals according to these feelings
[37:03] now
[37:05] mhm so two things happened um well lot
[37:09] happened but that became a product a
[37:12] program an
[37:14] experience
[37:16] that just kind of flew out of me and I
[37:21] felt really useful I feel really useful
[37:24] I love that being in the world I feel
[37:26] really proud of it
[37:28] I'm also able to be proud of it because
[37:30] it's this flexible thing it's not me
[37:33] saying here's the right way it's just
[37:34] saying I have this idea that we're on to
[37:36] something with feelings and that this
[37:39] Fierce goal setting has got us off
[37:41] course do it in any way you want to do
[37:43] it that's the whole point is doing the
[37:46] pros has got to feel good so it's
[37:48] working and
[37:50] um that was a million-- dooll Post-It
[37:53] note that I put in my book had no idea
[37:56] at the time but uh it's been it's been a
[38:00] great success so what's the actual
[38:03] experience so the experience is you walk
[38:06] through four or five areas of your life
[38:09] you know wellness and relationships and
[38:13] your essence your spirituality and you
[38:17] do the stream of Consciousness about how
[38:18] you want to
[38:19] feel and then I kind of I push you I
[38:22] direct you a bit to say maybe it's let's
[38:26] go in this direction let's look under
[38:28] the word success cuz everybody want to
[38:29] feel
[38:30] successful um and the idea is that you
[38:33] get it down to this handful of
[38:35] words and you use those four or five
[38:39] core desired
[38:40] feelings to drive your planning so
[38:44] instead of I want the six figures I want
[38:47] the relationship I want the job whatever
[38:51] saying how do I want to feel and maybe
[38:54] you need the six figures to make you
[38:56] feel
[38:57] empowered or vital or energized maybe
[39:01] you don't maybe you need the house maybe
[39:04] maybe getting the house is the perfect
[39:06] thing for your core desire which is
[39:08] sense of
[39:09] community maybe you realize that owning
[39:13] a house has nothing to do it's actually
[39:15] antithetical to you wanting to be in
[39:17] community and you should forget saving
[39:19] up for a down payment and you should
[39:23] travel that's that's generally it and
[39:26] it's turning out to
[39:29] be like a real Paradigm Buster for
[39:31] people I mean talk about
[39:34] permission people say really it's just
[39:36] about feeling good yeah because every
[39:40] this is my theory every single thing
[39:42] you're doing this interview the clothes
[39:45] you wear the people you hang out with
[39:47] the food you eat is all about you
[39:50] wanting to feel good so why don't we get
[39:52] a little more specific about what
[39:54] wanting to feel good means and you do
[39:56] what whatever it takes to feel that way
[39:59] and I think that's when you become
[40:01] God which is interesting
[40:04] because my sense is a lot of people will
[40:08] have this reaction to this if it's all
[40:10] about me wanting to feel good then isn't
[40:14] that all about me me rather than and
[40:18] like my frame on this would be something
[40:21] like yeah it's interesting um you know
[40:25] the conversation is can you can can you
[40:27] do good in the world can you do act
[40:28] service can you serve Society community
[40:31] in some way leave the world a better
[40:32] place um but do it be through selfish
[40:37] means and and you Del L actually
[40:40] answered this question once and he said
[40:42] you know um is it okay to do that well
[40:45] yeah you know the net result is actually
[40:47] that you're still leaving the world a
[40:48] better place would be better maybe for
[40:50] your own experience had it come from
[40:52] more of a sense of selflessness sure but
[40:55] the net effect
[40:57] is still you know a PL positive impact
[41:00] on the world but it's interesting to me
[41:02] that your final your wrap up was then
[41:07] was God whereas most people will think
[41:10] God is you know 100% service it's about
[41:13] it's about um no longer being
[41:16] self-focused
[41:20] mhhh so I'm going to say something
[41:22] really
[41:23] lofty I think when you dedicate your
[41:26] life
[41:28] to
[41:29] love joy light it's all the same thing
[41:32] it's all the same
[41:35] thing you can't help but be of service
[41:38] that on a vibrational level you know
[41:42] you're you're vibrating at a higher
[41:43] frequency and that helps everybody that
[41:45] helps everybody you're going to be
[41:48] kinder You Will Be Kinder you will be
[41:50] more
[41:51] philanthropic you will be way more fun
[41:53] to be around and you know back to what I
[41:57] was saying at the the top of our time is
[41:59] like it really does become cyclical like
[42:02] you can't the service is so much joy
[42:05] you're like am I really being selfish by
[42:08] volunteering because I'm so happy at the
[42:09] soup kitchen you know like it's
[42:11] just do whatever it takes to be happy
[42:14] and you know what we're we also look at
[42:17] things in such um such a linear view so
[42:21] in my belief system I think we we come
[42:24] back many times so so if that's true for
[42:27] me that's that's what I'm buying into
[42:29] I'm putting my money on
[42:31] reincarnation who's to say that I
[42:33] haven't paid my dues for many lifetimes
[42:37] and this time is time for me to be
[42:40] served or this is the lifetime where I
[42:43] really just get to sit in a monastery
[42:46] and just chant and that is my that is my
[42:49] ecstasy maybe I get to be wealthy this
[42:52] lifetime because I've given so much away
[42:54] before like we just we don't know we
[42:57] have to leave room for mystery
[42:59] about what it means to serve about what
[43:03] it means
[43:06] to what's okay in terms of happiness
[43:13] and to lighten up a little bit lighten
[43:16] the [ __ ] up yeah see IR this is so
[43:20] ironic right but you know Enlightenment
[43:22] becomes so heavy no no God I'm done I'm
[43:26] so so done can we talk about graduating
[43:28] from self-help
[43:29] I'm I'm done I'm so done with
[43:35] self-improvement just hang out and smile
[43:39] Delight so love the conversation and you
[43:42] and I can jam and riy go on so many
[43:43] tangents here anyway um but it's kind of
[43:47] fascinating what you're up to all um can
[43:50] we talk about the magazine or it to yeah
[43:52] okay so one you know in your evolution
[43:54] of of solving and help helping people
[43:56] and serving all sorts of different ways
[43:59] um you also you have
[44:01] this incredible creative and visual side
[44:05] to you um that's it was evident in your
[44:09] earlier you like things that you explor
[44:11] like The Branding and things like that
[44:13] and when you look at anything that you
[44:15] create it's it's
[44:17] never text slapped onto a white page
[44:20] there's always Exquisite visual design
[44:23] attached to it so recently you decide
[44:27] that I'm going to launch a
[44:33] magazine because it's such a lowrisk
[44:36] industry and magazines are thriving
[44:39] right a print magazine yeah yeah print
[44:43] not even I don't even care about iPad
[44:45] everyone's like what do you do for like
[44:46] digital who cares I don't so what's is
[44:50] all
[44:52] about so you know you used to hear
[44:55] people like in a VOC ational context say
[44:57] things like I didn't choose it it chose
[45:01] me I never got that I always thought
[45:03] that was just like overly poetic I
[45:05] couldn't relate but the magazine chose
[45:08] me and um just started as it was an
[45:12] offshoot idea actually of Desire map you
[45:15] know when you get the desire map program
[45:17] you get a few months of sort of this
[45:20] newsletter format we thought what if we
[45:22] turn that into a magazine and then it
[45:23] was like what if we just
[45:26] made a
[45:28] magazine and I feel that my muse kept me
[45:33] naive I was in this bubble CU I was
[45:35] really thinking and this is this is
[45:38] silly because I'm a big thinker but I
[45:39] thought we'll print a few thousand
[45:41] copies we're just going to make this
[45:43] pretty substantive thing it'll be fine
[45:45] and then I got so deeply into it there
[45:48] was no turning
[45:50] back and it became clear advertising
[45:53] distribution barcodes an edit edor a
[45:56] creative director a production manager
[45:59] copy editors and it's Joy it's Bliss it
[46:03] is creative Bliss I'm I I I'm so I'm
[46:08] thrilled I'm thrilled and it's uh so you
[46:11] might be wondering what it is
[46:14] um it's what it's what me and my homies
[46:17] want to read it's what's not out there
[46:20] it really is what is not out there we we
[46:24] will not dummy down we will be beautiful
[46:27] we will be unabashedly spiritual we will
[46:31] love sex we will love money we will love
[46:34] clothes we will promote contemplation
[46:38] it's real life it's real life Faith and
[46:42] [ __ ] it all in one page yeah that's the
[46:46] subtitle for the magine yeah but I think
[46:49] I won't get into a Barnes & Noble might
[46:52] have trouble getting the sh's Target
[46:54] also Walmart
[46:56] I love it U I can't wait to see sort of
[46:58] like that Evolution uh I mean it's it's
[47:01] fun watching you because uh I never know
[47:04] what's going to come next but I know
[47:05] it's going to push buttons and push
[47:07] envelopes and push you push and when I
[47:10] see you pushing yourself it makes me
[47:13] want to dig a little bit deeper and not
[47:15] that like I'm you or not that I'm going
[47:17] to do the same thing but it's inspiring
[47:19] to see people not um rest on their
[47:24] Laurels um and that's one of the uh it's
[47:28] one of The Inspirations I draw from you
[47:31] thank you I thank you for thank you so
[47:33] the name of this project is good life
[47:34] project when I offer that term to you
[47:37] what comes up to live a good life oh
[47:40] love love
[47:47] just what's the most loving thing you
[47:50] can do for all of us
[47:54] today yeah
[47:57] beautiful thank you so much for the
[47:59] conversation oh thank you always fun
[48:02] thank you so I'm Jonathan fields and my
[48:06] guest today has been Danielle leaport
[48:08] signing off for a good life
[48:09] [Music]
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