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[0:00] You're acting like this individual guy
[0:02] who's trying to save the whole planet,
[0:03] but by himself.
[0:05] >> Yeah.
[0:05] >> But what I want you to consider, which
[0:07] is such a leap for you, is that your
[0:09] life is curated, orchestrated precisely
[0:12] for what you need. So you can just
[0:13] lighten up and relax. You can't [ __ ] it
[0:15] up. Homework is don't do anything.
[0:18] >> Yeah.
[0:21] >> In 2010, I unfortunately saw one of my
[0:24] close friends jump off a cliff in front
[0:26] of me to end his life. For a while, I
[0:28] blame myself just thinking if I could
[0:30] have stopped that from happening. But
[0:31] the big problem that is happening in my
[0:33] life is finances. You know, I'm really
[0:36] struggling to get into that abundance
[0:38] state and really increase the wealth in
[0:40] my life. I've been watching so much of
[0:42] your stuff, so I I understand as well
[0:44] that that's the surface level, but of
[0:47] course um and I know that's available to
[0:49] me when some of the other stuff maybe
[0:51] blind spots or whatever is cleared up,
[0:53] but that is the area that I would like
[0:55] some assistance with. For sure.
[0:57] >> What would you say is one of your blind
[1:00] spots or one of your barriers to what
[1:02] you're calling abundance?
[1:05] >> Yes. So why I've got this insane like
[1:08] internal like desire to change to to
[1:11] improve my life and I have in many
[1:13] regards but I feel like I'm pushing one
[1:16] foot on the accelerator and one foot on
[1:17] the brake
[1:18] >> and I I procrastinate a lot. I avoid
[1:21] things a lot and I go through cycles of
[1:24] intense motivation and doing work. For
[1:26] example, with business and content, I
[1:28] might make videos every day for three
[1:30] months and then I'll just completely
[1:32] disconnect and I don't want to do
[1:34] anything. I just I kind of go through
[1:35] these cycles of a lot of energy and then
[1:39] I I just want to just chill out and like
[1:41] watch football or you know and then it
[1:43] kind of comes around again and I just
[1:45] feel like I keep repeating these cycles
[1:47] you know there's only only so many
[1:48] courses and books and different things
[1:50] you can take on marketing and practical
[1:53] stuff. There comes a time where like I
[1:55] need to look at myself like maybe
[1:56] there's a different problem here. So,
[1:58] um, and I definitely, you know, I've got
[2:02] just stuff from childhood and, you know,
[2:04] seeing one of my close friends commit
[2:05] suicide definitely was a turning point
[2:07] in my life. So,
[2:08] >> yeah, I remember that from your video.
[2:10] I'm sorry you went through that. Um,
[2:12] okay. Well, there's no lack of
[2:15] intelligence here, right? So, you're not
[2:17] um struggling there and it's sort of
[2:19] making that connection between conscious
[2:21] awareness and physical embodiment. So,
[2:24] what would you say from your past that
[2:25] you're aware of? Obviously, we can talk
[2:27] about your friend who took his life at
[2:29] some point, but let's go back further.
[2:32] >> What were some of the
[2:35] patterns, habits that you developed,
[2:38] do you think from, you know, being young
[2:39] and whatever you saw growing up or what
[2:41] have you heard as well?
[2:43] >> Yeah. So, when I was a kid, um, I'm the
[2:46] middle one. I've got two brothers. Um,
[2:49] and
[2:51] I mean, I I admit I was a I was a big
[2:53] mommy's boy when I was a kid. I was very
[2:55] attached to my mom and
[2:57] >> you know I even remember my first day in
[2:58] school I can have the image in my mind
[3:01] of looking out the window when my mom
[3:02] took me to school and I'm just balling
[3:04] my eyes out and there was this there was
[3:06] this really strong attachment to my mom
[3:09] >> and my dad was
[3:12] very absent. He spent a lot of the time
[3:14] in the pub and I remember him coming
[3:17] home late. Um, we would be sat down on
[3:20] the TV watching uh, sorry, sat down on
[3:23] on the sofa watching TV together as a
[3:24] family and I'd always have that kind of
[3:26] fear or uncertainty of
[3:29] >> how my dad was going to be when he came
[3:30] in or how much he'd had to drink.
[3:32] >> There was never any like physical
[3:34] violence or anything like that, but I
[3:35] remember feeling that uncertainty.
[3:38] >> Um, and I I really didn't like that
[3:40] feeling.
[3:41] >> So, those are some of the main things I
[3:43] can think of. Um, I haven't seen or
[3:45] spoken to my dad in probably 15 years.
[3:48] Um
[3:49] >> but I don't at least like I don't feel
[3:53] anything towards that like I I I wish
[3:56] him well now and I don't have any
[3:58] regrets about my childhood but maybe the
[4:00] sub subconscious stuff there but one
[4:02] thing I would say is I said to my friend
[4:04] when he passed not to my friend but I
[4:06] said to myself I'm going to make the
[4:09] most of my life and live your life as
[4:10] well and because I was there when it
[4:12] happened and I I felt like you know I
[4:14] couldn't stop this
[4:16] >> um and at the same time for my mom as
[4:18] well. I just I've had this desire like I
[4:20] really want to make enough money so that
[4:22] I can uh basically give my mom an
[4:24] amazing retirement. She's in her 70s now
[4:26] and I just feel like maybe it's just too
[4:28] much pressure on myself, you know, too
[4:30] much weight to carry and then my own
[4:32] dreams as well. So I think that's like
[4:34] an overview. Um
[4:36] >> yeah. Are you um in a relationship now?
[4:38] Romantic relationship.
[4:40] >> Yes, I am. Um just uh three years. Three
[4:44] years. Yeah. And it's it's been the best
[4:45] and healthiest relationship I've had. So
[4:48] I'm really grateful for that. Yeah.
[4:49] >> Amazing. Amazing. Okay. So with your
[4:52] friend was this this was back home in
[4:53] Cornwall when you're on the cliff
[4:55] somewhere.
[4:55] >> Correct. Yeah.
[4:56] >> And this was a friend from growing up
[4:59] from school from both.
[5:01] >> Yeah. So I we met a bit later on. So he
[5:03] was in um he was a few years younger
[5:05] than me and we were kind of college
[5:07] university time. You know, back then I
[5:09] was I was just a youngster in England
[5:11] having fun on the weekends, drinking a
[5:13] lot, partying. Had no idea what I wanted
[5:15] to do with my life.
[5:16] >> Um, probably not really happy to be
[5:18] honest, but just going, you know, going
[5:21] along as most youngsters do, trying to
[5:23] find their way in the world.
[5:24] >> Yeah. How old were you at the time?
[5:26] >> So, I was 22. So, it was uh 2010, I
[5:30] think it was now. Yeah.
[5:31] >> Okay. Um, and so I'm from a really
[5:34] beautiful place in Cornwall, like a in a
[5:36] in a fishing village. There's beautiful
[5:39] clifftops, fields, ocean, you know. Um,
[5:42] and they had this party there. It was
[5:44] like an event in a in a marquee and
[5:47] >> I was walking along with a friend and I
[5:49] saw I saw my friend, his name is Matt.
[5:52] He was sort of fighting some guy. He was
[5:54] on his back and I was a little bit
[5:56] drunk. So I kind of found it
[5:58] >> at first I thought he was kind of
[5:59] comical,
[6:00] >> amusing,
[6:01] >> but then he basically got kicked out by
[6:03] the security and I could see he was
[6:04] upset and I think he'd recently broken
[6:06] up with his girlfriend. I knew he wasn't
[6:08] like in the best headsp space,
[6:10] >> but I didn't really know much more than
[6:12] that. Um, and then my instinct was I
[6:16] I've got to go out after him to make
[6:17] sure he's okay. And there was another
[6:19] guy that did as well. And then he turned
[6:21] around and saw us and then he started
[6:23] running. So, I started running, bearing
[6:24] in mind, you know, I'd had a few ciders
[6:26] or something. Um,
[6:28] >> um,
[6:29] >> he he was, you know, pretty determined.
[6:31] He went through some brambled bushes,
[6:33] got to the edge of a cliff, and I'm kind
[6:35] of stumbling over. I'm trying to be
[6:36] careful. I don't want to fall off
[6:38] myself. He just like, don't come any
[6:40] closer.
[6:41] >> Um, and my memory
[6:43] >> was the other was the other guy there,
[6:44] too, or was it just you?
[6:45] >> Yeah, he was he was slightly over the
[6:47] shoulder. Um, yeah.
[6:49] >> So, he must have seen a similar thing.
[6:50] Yeah. Um, and
[6:52] >> we had we were back and forth a little
[6:54] bit and he was, you know, balling his
[6:56] eyes out and I I was telling him, you
[6:57] know, it's okay. Like, come down.
[6:59] Everything's going to be all right.
[7:01] Let's let's talk. I can't remember the
[7:03] exact conversation at the time, to be
[7:05] honest.
[7:06] >> And my headsp space at that time, like I
[7:07] I had no idea what was going to happen.
[7:09] You know, I really didn't think that was
[7:11] a possibility.
[7:12] >> And he just
[7:14] >> basically shared his last message with
[7:15] me and said, "Paul, I love you. It's not
[7:17] your fault. Tell my friends and family
[7:19] it's not their fault. I can't go on
[7:20] anymore. And then it was it was like
[7:24] being it's so hard to describe. I just
[7:27] looked into into the air and he wasn't
[7:30] there. And I and I was it's like I time
[7:32] froze and I just felt like did this is
[7:35] this real? It it was almost like a
[7:37] movie. It's really hard to explain.
[7:39] >> Yeah. Um, and then the next thing I
[7:41] know, I'm on my phone, you know, calling
[7:43] 999 and um, yeah, he he
[7:48] he did survive the fall, but no no
[7:51] expectancy of life, you know, he severe
[7:53] head injuries and
[7:55] >> yeah,
[7:55] >> they basically waited the next day for
[7:57] his dad to arrive from up uh, up north
[7:59] somewhere in England and then they
[8:01] turned off the life support and uh,
[8:04] yeah, that was that was a really
[8:06] challenging thing to experience. No, I'm
[8:08] sorry you had to see that and witness
[8:10] that. And I can as best as possible be
[8:13] there with you obviously not actually
[8:15] literally but energetically and what
[8:17] that must have felt like especially for
[8:18] someone as sensitive as you and um I'm
[8:22] sorry that you had to go through that.
[8:23] Um did you have any support after that?
[8:27] Did you speak to a therapist? Did you
[8:29] get together with the other friend there
[8:30] with you and talk it through?
[8:33] >> I mean I had lots of friends and firstly
[8:36] thank you. I appreciate that and I
[8:37] acknowledge you for listening and and
[8:40] thank you for listening to me. Um
[8:43] I I had friends around me and you know
[8:46] we had a big friend group which was good
[8:48] and some of the positives if you can
[8:51] take positives from that were that it
[8:52] brought a lot of people together. Um but
[8:56] with regards to therapy I didn't um a
[8:59] lot of people said to me at the time you
[9:01] you know you should probably go and
[9:02] speak to someone. Um, and I remember
[9:04] thinking at the time, this must be my
[9:07] way of I I said to myself, I must just
[9:10] be really like strong in my mind or
[9:12] something.
[9:12] >> Um,
[9:13] >> and clearly I must have been just
[9:15] probably suppressing a lot of it. Um,
[9:19] >> but
[9:20] >> and it there was, you know, there was an
[9:21] ongoing thing for a while. We had to go
[9:23] to court a few years later and just, you
[9:25] know, eventually they didn't put it down
[9:27] to suicide. um he did jump but because
[9:30] he was under the influence and in a you
[9:33] know they they think that maybe he might
[9:34] not have made that decision but anyway
[9:38] >> um I didn't speak to anyone um and so I
[9:43] think that's been at the back of my mind
[9:44] a little bit just with where I'm at now
[9:46] like just more out of curiosity
[9:49] wondering oh maybe there's something
[9:51] that I bottled up then which I I'm
[9:53] unaware of now because I pushed it down
[9:56] but
[9:57] >> um even at the funeral. Um, I I couldn't
[10:00] cry in front of people and I had that
[10:02] that feeling in my throat, you know,
[10:04] that heaviness
[10:05] >> and then when I was on my own, I would I
[10:07] would cry. But I think that's just part
[10:09] of the
[10:10] >> the message that a lot of men get when
[10:12] we're younger, like, you know, it's
[10:14] don't cry in front of people or
[10:15] something. So,
[10:16] >> yeah.
[10:17] >> And um, so yeah, I never spoke to anyone
[10:19] about that. Um well I spoke to a lot of
[10:21] friends about it and you know sure at
[10:23] the time going out drinking and just
[10:24] talking through it and stuff but I
[10:26] didn't have like professional help with
[10:28] it.
[10:28] >> No. Okay. So if you were to look at it
[10:31] now in hindsight um you know 15 years
[10:34] later
[10:36] what would you say was one of the one or
[10:39] two of the key takeaways? Either good
[10:41] nor bad you know it doesn't really
[10:42] matter. But what how did that sort of
[10:45] mold or shape the way that you view
[10:47] yourself and life? I know you said to a
[10:50] certain degree you've put pressure on
[10:51] yourself. You want to live a double life
[10:53] to include Matt as well, but
[10:55] >> yeah.
[10:55] >> What what what would you say looking
[10:57] back that you took from that experience?
[11:01] I remember like I mean for this thing I
[11:04] feel quite proud of it because I feel
[11:06] like I could have gone down a really
[11:08] different path and
[11:10] >> um someone introduced me to the book the
[11:13] secret of the time which I know gets a
[11:15] lot of you know bad stick from uh some
[11:18] of things but actually that really
[11:20] helped me at the time and then it opened
[11:22] my eyes up to you know different
[11:24] teachers Abraham Hicks or Bob Proctor
[11:26] and I you know I I went down the path of
[11:28] self-improvement And in a short space of
[11:31] time, I was my mind was like, I'm I'm
[11:34] gonna change my life now. And and it was
[11:36] like a shift I had. So that was
[11:38] definitely
[11:39] >> a powerful
[11:40] >> thing for me. Um I think also it it
[11:43] revealed to me how short and precious
[11:46] life is. It just
[11:48] >> the constant
[11:50] thoughts around, wow, he was here and
[11:53] now he's not here. I'm never going to
[11:54] see him again in in this physical
[11:57] lifetime, you know.
[11:58] >> Yeah. So it's really a reminder of how
[12:00] like precious life is the feeling of not
[12:03] wanting to waste
[12:04] >> time and that stuff.
[12:06] >> Yeah. Beautiful. And yet you know being
[12:09] honest with yourself as you mentioned
[12:10] that you can occasionally procrastinate
[12:13] like the best of us and all humans. So
[12:15] can you see maybe that when you have
[12:17] this sense of life is precious and it's
[12:19] so short and fragile and then at the
[12:21] same time you occasionally
[12:22] procrastinate, do you occasionally beat
[12:24] yourself up for that or put some
[12:26] pressure on yourself?
[12:28] I mean, it happens quite a lot to be
[12:29] honest. Um,
[12:32] >> yeah, I get it. Yeah, that's why I just
[12:34] wanted to bring it up. Okay, so there's
[12:36] a couple of things that come to mind as
[12:37] you've obviously heard from whatever
[12:41] the courses you've done in freedom or
[12:43] podcasts I've been on, I sort of look at
[12:45] these subconscious prisons, right? So
[12:48] you've alluded to a couple of them based
[12:50] on what you can ascertain from your own
[12:51] childhood, but what would you say uh one
[12:54] or two of the primal prisons that you
[12:57] know might be holding you back that
[12:59] would definitely influence uh finances
[13:01] and abundance?
[13:05] I think I one I mean I I don't I know
[13:09] you I think you said you had like 10
[13:11] prisons and I don't know if I've uh
[13:13] heard them all and maybe that's for the
[13:14] book which I'll look forward to.
[13:16] >> Yeah.
[13:17] >> But um
[13:18] >> I think um one of them there's
[13:21] definitely some of the not enoughness
[13:24] there
[13:25] >> on a deep level. I think
[13:28] >> there's something along the lines of
[13:30] it's my fault.
[13:31] >> Yes. Yeah. the like that. I think that's
[13:34] definitely true, especially when I
[13:35] blamed myself when it happened, which is
[13:38] pretty ridiculous because it's it's not
[13:40] my fault, but that was kind of the the
[13:42] message I was. Um and then I think
[13:47] another thing which I didn't mention um
[13:51] which could potentially be related to
[13:53] you know transitioning into the next
[13:55] phase of business and stuff is
[13:58] >> I with the avoidance like I really
[14:01] conflict is a big thing for me.
[14:03] >> So like the idea of a customer or client
[14:05] being dissatisfied or someone wanting to
[14:07] argue like
[14:09] >> I I hate that feeling. And so
[14:12] >> um
[14:13] >> there might be something in that sense
[14:15] as well. Um
[14:16] >> yeah,
[14:17] >> but I do I think like the it's my fault
[14:20] thing rings rings true or like I've done
[14:22] something wrong or like if I do
[14:25] something I could do something wrong so
[14:27] maybe I should just stay silent or or
[14:29] not do too much.
[14:30] >> Um may maybe there's something else
[14:32] there, but that's that's probably just
[14:34] my own reflection of what I would
[14:36] anticipate.
[14:36] >> Yeah. very very astute, you know, and
[14:38] again where I just recognize your
[14:41] intelligence which would actually
[14:42] ironically make you or not so ironically
[14:45] a good coach and the stuff that you want
[14:46] to perhaps transition into from your
[14:48] personal training. So I would say yes in
[14:51] that bed fellows of it's my fault um the
[14:55] I'm not enough or the fear of conflict
[14:57] that you know you might do something
[14:59] wrong. Um, it there all associated. And
[15:04] what I want you to consider is
[15:07] the way that I hear it for you
[15:09] energetically is
[15:12] it's all up to you,
[15:14] right? So, it's a little different than
[15:17] it's my fault. That's the aftermath,
[15:19] right? So, if you look at it very subtle
[15:21] in terms of a cascade, right? It's my
[15:24] fault or I did something wrong and
[15:25] therefore I'm in trouble with a customer
[15:27] or client. That's all predicated with
[15:30] the the story that it's it's all up to
[15:33] you in the first place.
[15:35] >> Right.
[15:36] >> Okay. Very subtle, but again, I'm
[15:38] appealing to your intelligence. So, can
[15:40] you feel that in your body that it's
[15:42] it's all up to Paul, right? Like
[15:44] whatever it is, fill in the blank. Like
[15:45] it was up to you to save Matt. It's up
[15:47] to you to take care of your mom. It's up
[15:49] to you to not procrastinate. It's up to
[15:51] you to make more money. It's up to you
[15:53] to transition into coaching.
[15:55] >> 100%. Yeah. It's it's like a a weight
[15:58] that I'm carrying around which could
[16:00] potentially be why I go through phases
[16:03] of motivation and then I burn out and I
[16:05] just I need a break from this.
[16:07] >> Yeah. And you can get rid of the could.
[16:08] Right. So that's that is why you go
[16:10] through phases. Right. So so the thing
[16:12] that I want you to presence which you
[16:13] just did is the heaviness the weight of
[16:16] the idea this sense of it's not
[16:18] responsibility that's powerful. It's
[16:20] responsibility that is ownorous. Right.
[16:22] It's the there's two ways of looking at
[16:25] responsibility and we're going to
[16:26] discern between the two so that you can
[16:28] shift out of this. You have
[16:29] responsibility that's associated with
[16:31] fault, guilt and shame, right?
[16:33] >> Yeah.
[16:34] >> Whereas my responsibility is associated
[16:36] with power and sovereignty and freedom
[16:38] and individuality. Right? Like that I'm
[16:40] responsible for my life as a choice, not
[16:44] as a as a sort of a sentence, right?
[16:47] Like like a prison sentence. So the one
[16:50] you're living in is very confining and
[16:52] there's the weight which is also why you
[16:54] have some of that avoidant slash
[16:57] procrastination energy right so just for
[17:00] a minute for your own sense of presence
[17:02] if you live in the world of where it's
[17:03] absolutely it's up to Paul like to for
[17:06] anything to happen you know and I know
[17:08] it's not all of life but that's how it's
[17:10] going to feel h how does that feel apart
[17:12] from the weight what else what else are
[17:14] you present to if you're really looking
[17:16] through the lens of it's all up to me
[17:18] how does that impact you.
[17:22] >> It feels very stressful.
[17:24] >> Yeah.
[17:25] >> Yeah. I'm not sure what other emotions
[17:27] would be present with that.
[17:29] >> Well, let's look at if it's all up to
[17:30] you and things don't happen, then how do
[17:32] you feel?
[17:33] >> Like I failed.
[17:34] >> Yeah. So, failure, frustration, there
[17:36] could be the guilt and the shame,
[17:38] >> disappointment in yourself, judgment.
[17:41] >> Yeah. Definitely some self judgment.
[17:42] Yeah. Being myself up. Yeah.
[17:44] >> Yeah. you can start to see, wow, that
[17:46] that's the world that you traffic in,
[17:48] the world that you communicate from, the
[17:50] world that you live in. But the onus and
[17:52] the the heaviness that comes with that
[17:55] is going to be part of the
[17:56] procrastination, the guilt, the shame,
[17:59] the lethargy, the apathy, the
[18:00] pointlessness. And you know, even though
[18:03] I know you didn't really dip your toe
[18:04] into it, but back in the day when you
[18:06] weren't necessarily suicidal like your
[18:09] friend, but that would be an extension
[18:11] of that world, right? It becomes so
[18:13] heavy after a while. It's like, well,
[18:14] what's the [ __ ] point of living?
[18:16] Like, you know, I'm doing the best I
[18:17] can. I'm a good guy, but I'm not getting
[18:19] the results I want. The the the brain
[18:22] and the ego is just going to quit at
[18:24] some point.
[18:26] >> Can you see that?
[18:27] >> Yeah.
[18:28] >> So, awesome. So, that's the number one
[18:31] or one of them. Uh, you know, and I
[18:33] think there's another one that really is
[18:34] combined. It's correlated, but it's also
[18:37] part of the avoidant energy. So, this
[18:39] goes back to you sitting on the couch
[18:41] watching TV with your mom, not knowing
[18:44] what kind of dad you were going to get
[18:46] who came home from the pub. So, what was
[18:48] that boy's experience in that space?
[18:50] Right. You obviously said you were
[18:51] scared, you didn't know, but but what
[18:54] might be the way that you relate to the
[18:57] future uh that had all of this potential
[19:01] fear associated with it? Um,
[19:05] I think it was it was definitely, yeah,
[19:08] like a a a scary kind of feeling. Um,
[19:11] >> yeah.
[19:12] >> Yeah.
[19:12] >> And I think that's probably why I took
[19:15] on the role of being the quiet one. And
[19:17] and you know, just that was my survival
[19:20] strategy, I think, in that situation.
[19:23] >> Yeah. Um, which potentially as we talk
[19:26] about the future could mean that's why I
[19:28] struggle to show up consistently because
[19:30] I just, you know, sometimes I've said I
[19:32] just want to like have a business where
[19:36] I can have a private life and then I've
[19:38] got this other side of me from my
[19:40] experiences where I have a big desire to
[19:42] help people and it's like this this kind
[19:44] of battle between the two.
[19:46] >> Yeah. That's the break on the you know
[19:48] they break the accelerator at the sim,
[19:50] you know, simultaneously. Right. Yeah.
[19:52] Awesome. So it's very scary. So
[19:53] especially if you presence the energy of
[19:55] that little boy, there's this sort of
[19:57] impending potential doom. Don't know
[19:59] what dad's going to be like. Is he going
[20:00] to be fun drunk? Is he going to be angry
[20:02] drunk? Is he going to be scary drunk?
[20:04] Either way, the way that your brain has
[20:06] become associated with what's about to
[20:08] happen is based predominantly in fear.
[20:11] >> Yeah.
[20:12] >> Right. From that age. So then if you're
[20:15] related to the future
[20:17] from a perspective of fear, what could
[20:20] you sort of summize from that and the
[20:23] way that you would approach the future?
[20:26] How what's your relationship to the
[20:28] future if the way that you're feeling
[20:29] about it is scared?
[20:32] >> It's avoidance. Like avoid,
[20:34] >> right? Yeah.
[20:36] >> So now if you look at that, so avoidance
[20:38] as a little boy meant the way that you
[20:40] coped and strategized was let's be
[20:42] quiet. I want to make sure that I don't
[20:43] stand out.
[20:44] >> Yeah.
[20:45] >> And then yet here you are wanting to
[20:46] take care of your mom, wanting to live a
[20:48] legacy for Matt, wanting to take care of
[20:49] your girlfriend, obviously wanting to
[20:51] fulfill on your own dreams, but the
[20:52] energy that you have is avoidant. Don't
[20:55] stand out. And if anything, be quiet.
[20:57] >> Yeah.
[20:58] >> But you're in an industry where you
[20:59] actually want to help people, right? So
[21:01] you start to see the conflict and the
[21:04] the paradox, the contradiction that your
[21:07] energy is versus your aspiration is.
[21:11] >> Yeah. Absolutely.
[21:12] >> Yeah. Which itself adds to more
[21:14] frustration. Right. That's the break and
[21:16] the accelerator again.
[21:17] >> Yeah.
[21:18] >> So, what I want you to consider is that
[21:20] if the way that your brain, and I'm
[21:22] going to assert is currently wired is
[21:24] that your relationship to the future is
[21:27] a predominantly fear-based one,
[21:30] then there's no motivation or drive to
[21:33] pursue the future.
[21:37] >> That's just basic logic, right? If my
[21:39] future is filled with potentially worst
[21:41] case scenarios, fear and
[21:44] at some maybe extreme level your own
[21:46] existence, your own survival, right? Cuz
[21:48] that little boy, you know, he's not
[21:50] thinking rashly, he doesn't think, well,
[21:52] dad's just drunk. He's probably going to
[21:54] D. But from the perspective of of a
[21:56] being who's young, it's pure survival,
[21:59] right? Like you don't know if you're
[22:01] going to see the next day if dad's in a
[22:03] really bad state.
[22:05] >> Right.
[22:06] >> Right. So, I want you to recognize the
[22:08] combination and going back to the first
[22:10] one, it's all up to you,
[22:12] >> right? But the way that you're related
[22:16] to life and especially forward motion is
[22:19] it's like you're stuck in quicksand,
[22:23] >> right? If you get that image of here you
[22:25] are in quicksand or concrete, you know,
[22:27] maybe it's still slightly soft concrete,
[22:29] but you can't move, but you want
[22:32] something and it's up to you to get it,
[22:34] but you're so scared to move forward.
[22:36] That leaves you in this space of sort of
[22:39] basically stagnation.
[22:42] >> Yeah, that that's that's basically how I
[22:45] feel like I've been for the past I don't
[22:47] know six years or something like that.
[22:49] >> Yeah. And that's probably being
[22:51] generous. It may have been exaggerated
[22:53] during those six years, but I'm going to
[22:55] guess it's been there probably for like
[22:56] 30 plus years, right?
[22:58] >> Yeah.
[22:58] >> Which is fine. So, this is your
[23:00] opportunity as a soul in this
[23:01] incarnation to get past this, right? So,
[23:04] looking through those prisons, you can
[23:06] now see, okay, if it's all up to me,
[23:08] then there's an immense amount of fear,
[23:10] pressure, concern that you might do
[23:12] something wrong, you might upset
[23:13] someone, and it's going to be your
[23:15] fault. So the again this uh overload of
[23:19] responsibility that's dysfunctional and
[23:22] disempowering combined with well it's
[23:25] all up to me and in order for anything
[23:26] to happen I have to do [ __ ] but I don't
[23:28] want to do [ __ ] because if I move
[23:30] forward energetically into life that's
[23:33] sort of littered with potential worst
[23:35] case scenarios uh that have me scared
[23:38] and feeling fear.
[23:41] So you start to see the world that you
[23:43] you traffic in, that you function in.
[23:46] >> Yeah. So I mean that that's kind of I
[23:49] think articulates why I feel like I go
[23:52] around in circles because there's this
[23:54] this part of me that wants the growth
[23:56] that wants the the transformation that
[23:58] wants the changes
[23:59] >> and then there's this fear that's that's
[24:01] just pulling me back.
[24:03] >> Yes. Absolutely. So this is where we
[24:05] have to start with awareness so you can
[24:06] at least see it presently and go wow
[24:08] this is literally my life. This is the
[24:10] life that Paul lives, right?
[24:11] >> Yeah.
[24:11] >> Even with his intelligence, even with
[24:13] his big heart, even with his experience,
[24:15] even with his desire to make a
[24:16] difference, you are at a subconscious
[24:19] level imprisoned and sort of frozen in
[24:23] your ability to express yourself. Even
[24:26] at the funeral, like you said, like you
[24:27] can't express the tears or the anger or
[24:30] the frustration.
[24:34] >> Yeah. So, so perfect. So the way I want
[24:36] you to consider so what are you saying
[24:38] about the future if it's littered with
[24:39] worst case scenarios you're scared what
[24:42] is what is the underlying way that
[24:44] you're relating to the future
[24:47] in terms of yourself like if you you
[24:50] know you know my terminology is like I'm
[24:53] not something like what what would you
[24:54] say about the future as it relates to
[24:56] Paul like I'm not what in the future
[25:01] >> um
[25:02] based on uh the the perspective of that
[25:05] fear, I would say I'm not
[25:08] um I'm not successful.
[25:10] >> Yeah. Which is a present state, right?
[25:12] So I'm not successful. So it's going to
[25:14] be in future language.
[25:16] >> Okay.
[25:18] >> So you're trying to avoid something. If
[25:19] you're trying to avoid something, it's
[25:20] cuz you feel that you're not what?
[25:22] >> I'm not
[25:24] capable.
[25:26] >> Yeah, that's part of it for sure. That's
[25:27] how it leaves you feeling.
[25:30] But that's present, right? If I'm not
[25:32] capable when, well, I'm not capable now.
[25:34] But in language, I'm not going because
[25:38] it's future based.
[25:39] >> Yeah. So, I'm not I'm not going to be
[25:42] successful. I'm not going to achieve my
[25:43] goals.
[25:44] >> Yeah. Perfect. It's in that realm,
[25:46] right? So, feel that. So, think about
[25:48] that. This isn't a conscious thought.
[25:50] Your conscious thought is I want to help
[25:51] people. I want to make a difference. I
[25:52] want to take care of my mom. I want to
[25:54] take care of my girlfriend. I want to
[25:55] leave a legacy for Matt. But the way
[25:58] that you relate to life is that I'm not
[26:00] going to be successful. I'm not. So,
[26:02] what's the point? Do you see?
[26:05] >> So that's the tugofwar where that's what
[26:07] you you want to do something, but the
[26:10] way that you relate to your future is
[26:12] it's not going to happen anyway. So it
[26:14] all starts to become completely futile.
[26:17] >> Which is why you could feel apathetic
[26:19] and lethargic and avoidant.
[26:23] >> It's interesting because I feel like
[26:25] I've done so much like you know work on
[26:28] and self maybe too much. Sometimes you
[26:30] can do too much. But like I I genuinely
[26:32] believe like so much is possible like
[26:35] for
[26:36] >> but but maybe even that thought
[26:39] >> is more of a general thought than to my
[26:41] own experience.
[26:43] >> So you you got to understand the
[26:44] difference between your intellect and
[26:46] your conscious understanding of life and
[26:49] listening to my stuff pure possibility.
[26:52] First is your body and your subconscious
[26:56] which is stagnant and it doesn't want to
[26:58] move forward because of fear and apathy
[27:00] cuz well it's not going to work anyway.
[27:02] I'm not going to be successful.
[27:05] >> So the way that I phrase it in terms of
[27:07] one of these prisons is that you're not
[27:09] going to be okay.
[27:10] [Music]
[27:12] >> It's a little bit more of a catch all,
[27:13] right? It's not so much around the arena
[27:15] of success or finance, but just
[27:17] generally Paul's not going to be okay.
[27:21] because that's that little boy's
[27:23] experience. It's not logical. It's just
[27:25] he's scared. And so what he's saying is,
[27:27] I don't know how my dad's going to come
[27:29] home and that means that my survival is
[27:31] at stake, which is I'm not going to be
[27:33] okay. Whatever happens, it's not that
[27:35] you're going to die, but it's not like,
[27:37] oh, I'm going to be awesome and
[27:39] everything's going to be amazing. That's
[27:40] not the way you're relating to the
[27:42] future.
[27:44] >> Yeah.
[27:44] >> Do you see? You would have a different
[27:47] way of moving through life with a
[27:49] different sense of motivation and self
[27:53] discipline which would be excited about
[27:56] where you're going versus this more sort
[27:59] of apathetic lethargic and heavy way of
[28:02] trying to like walk through molasses or
[28:05] maple syrup or quick sand where you're
[28:08] like ah yeah I'm I want to get there but
[28:11] energetically the way you're relating to
[28:12] the future is it's not desirable so why
[28:14] the hell would I move forward.
[28:18] >> Can you see that? So, I want you to
[28:19] really understand these two worlds,
[28:20] right? It's up to you,
[28:23] >> which is filled with and littered with a
[28:25] massive amount of potential guilt and
[28:27] shame and failure
[28:30] combined with you're not going to be
[28:32] okay anyway.
[28:36] So, can you start to feel in your body
[28:38] where that's what creates all of that
[28:40] density and that gravity both
[28:43] energetically, psychologically, and
[28:45] emotionally?
[28:46] >> Maybe this is like, you know, go back to
[28:48] my friend and when I was unable to
[28:49] express emotion, I feel like I I
[28:51] sometimes struggle with the the feeling
[28:54] of what you're sharing now.
[28:55] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. That's okay.
[28:58] But you could obviously earlier you
[28:59] sense the heaviness, the weight of that
[29:01] like it's all up to you.
[29:02] >> Yeah. I felt I could feel that. Yeah.
[29:04] >> Yeah. So that's the weight of it's up to
[29:06] you. And then you can feel the avoidant
[29:10] energy which is the term you've used as
[29:12] it relates to a future that's not
[29:14] desirable where you're not going to be
[29:15] okay. Right. You can feel that.
[29:17] >> Yeah.
[29:17] >> So you think about it. You've got the
[29:19] weight of thinking it's all entirely up
[29:21] to you with the potential guilt and
[29:22] shame of being a failure and not
[29:23] fulfilling combined with the avoidant
[29:27] energy which is really the reflection
[29:29] the reaction to a future that you're
[29:31] scared of. What if I don't make it,
[29:34] become successful, make enough money,
[29:36] take care of my mom, whatever.
[29:39] That that combination is a death
[29:41] sentence.
[29:43] >> Yeah.
[29:44] Even in the face of all of your will and
[29:47] your aspiration and your inspiration and
[29:49] all the beautiful intentions you have,
[29:52] you know, it's it's
[29:54] it's going to fall short because the
[29:57] biggest weight, the sort of the the mass
[29:59] of the iceberg under the water is the
[30:02] heaviness and the feeling of guilt and
[30:04] shame and dysfunctional responsibility
[30:07] combined with the anticipation of an
[30:10] unfulfilled future.
[30:12] >> Right.
[30:14] So, let's go. So, let's go through the
[30:16] exercises. So, you know, if I were to
[30:19] cut Paul open, am I going to find a
[30:21] physical manufacturing label inside of
[30:23] you that says Paul born in England, born
[30:26] in I don't know if you're born in
[30:27] Cornwall, but born in England? You know,
[30:29] it's all up to him. Am I going to find
[30:31] that physical manufacturing label inside
[30:33] of you?
[30:34] >> No,
[30:35] >> I'm not. Right. Okay. So, it's not part
[30:37] of your hardware. If someone knew how to
[30:39] read DNA, part of your physical sort of
[30:41] DNA and chromosomes in a cell, they
[30:44] could explain your eye colors and your
[30:47] body type. So, this isn't part of that.
[30:50] So, where does the I'm not going to be
[30:51] okay live? Where does that because it is
[30:53] part of your reality?
[30:55] >> Yeah,
[30:56] I'm not going to be okay.
[30:58] >> Where is that? Where are we going to
[31:00] find that?
[31:01] >> I think in my chest.
[31:03] >> Okay, that's where the sensation is
[31:05] located, which makes sense, right?
[31:07] because that's where there's the life
[31:10] force of how you breathe, right? Like,
[31:12] you know, so there's a heaviness which
[31:13] tends to suffocate us a bit. So, I'm not
[31:16] going to, you know, it's up to me is
[31:19] going to feel, as you said, weighty,
[31:21] right? So, if you're wearing a lot of
[31:23] weight on your body, you wouldn't be
[31:24] able to breathe so easily, which is the
[31:26] absence of expansion,
[31:29] >> you know, inspiration to be able to
[31:31] inspire, which is also receiving. So in
[31:34] the world of it's all up to me there is
[31:36] that constraint. So that's where it
[31:38] feels. But where is the language? It's
[31:40] all up to me. Where does that live?
[31:43] >> Where the words live?
[31:45] >> Uh in my head.
[31:46] >> Yeah. In your head. Right. I want you to
[31:49] consider that in your head points to
[31:52] where you've become misidentified with
[31:54] your p personality or your ego or your
[31:56] identity, whatever word. So that it's
[31:58] the pool that you are for yourself. You
[32:00] don't walk around saying it's all up to
[32:02] me. It's just it's so up to you that
[32:05] that's just how you live.
[32:08] >> Yeah.
[32:09] >> Right. It's not even a belief. It's just
[32:11] the way life is. It Well, duh. It's all
[32:13] up to me.
[32:16] So when you look through that lens of
[32:18] it's all up to me as though it is you,
[32:20] we get the world of heaviness and apathy
[32:23] and a sense of potential failure and the
[32:27] overall sort of gravity of well it could
[32:31] be your fault if you [ __ ] it up. Right?
[32:35] >> So if it's in your head and I'm going to
[32:37] say more accurately it's in the space
[32:38] that is your mind and it's made up of
[32:41] words. It's up to me. Like it's
[32:44] literally sound, right? So if it's just
[32:47] words and it's just in your mind, is it
[32:50] a truth that who Paul is is that it's up
[32:54] to you? Is is that really who you are?
[32:58] >> No, it's not.
[32:59] >> It's not, is it?
[33:00] >> No.
[33:00] >> So I want you to consider it's the way
[33:02] that you relate to yourself and hence
[33:03] life. It's not you. It's a very deeply
[33:07] entrenched program that you've become
[33:10] misidentified with.
[33:12] Yes.
[33:13] >> So, just off the top of your head, if
[33:15] it's all up to you, what doesn't that
[33:16] what what does that not allow for?
[33:19] >> It does. I mean, I would say the first
[33:21] word is is kind of your work freedom.
[33:24] >> Yeah. Definitely doesn't allow for
[33:25] freedom, right? Cuz whether you realize
[33:28] it or not, 24/7 you're constantly
[33:29] working because it's all up to you. Even
[33:31] if you're sleeping, your brain is
[33:33] working trying to figure stuff out.
[33:35] What? Perfect. So, it doesn't allow for
[33:36] freedom. What else does it not allow
[33:37] for? If it's all up to you, the whole of
[33:40] your life is up to you. What does that
[33:41] not allow for?
[33:43] >> Life itself.
[33:44] >> Yeah. Only life itself, right? Not a big
[33:49] deal. You're only denying life itself.
[33:51] So in this case, denying life itself,
[33:53] what does that represent?
[33:55] >> Possibility.
[33:57] >> Yeah. Think about it this way
[33:59] energetically. If it's all up to you,
[34:01] which way is the flow? It
[34:03] >> there's a lot of resistance there. It's
[34:05] it's it's uh I'm I'm going against the
[34:08] grain or I'm going against you know fine
[34:11] upstream.
[34:12] >> Totally. Because if it's up to you, it's
[34:14] all from me out.
[34:16] >> Yeah.
[34:17] >> Right. It's all It's all up It's from
[34:20] Paul out. It's up to me. So what now if
[34:23] you look at it that way visually, what
[34:25] does that deny?
[34:30] >> Denies me to receive things.
[34:32] >> Bingo. Yeah.
[34:34] >> And really get that. This is why it was
[34:36] so hard for you to see this because
[34:37] you've lived for 30 plus years in the
[34:40] absence of receiving.
[34:43] >> Yeah.
[34:45] >> But really get that, mate, because this
[34:47] is a massive blind spot.
[34:49] >> Yes.
[34:49] >> You're you're acting like a silo, like
[34:52] this individual guy who's trying to
[34:53] [ __ ] save the whole planet, but by
[34:55] himself.
[34:57] >> Yeah.
[34:57] >> It's insanity. Even as you're saying
[35:00] that, I have a voice in my head saying,
[35:03] "But it is up to me, isn't it?" Well, of
[35:06] course, it's been there for 3 [ __ ]
[35:09] five years. You know,
[35:10] >> right? Yeah. So, that it's going to it's
[35:13] not going to want to go away. This is
[35:14] the biggest um obstacle of real freedom
[35:17] is transcending a voice that has defined
[35:20] you for so long.
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[36:00] >> The it's up to me. Um, also for me means
[36:04] like I'm I'm responsible for like doing
[36:06] taking the actions to change results in
[36:08] my life. That's kind of how I see it as
[36:10] well. But obviously from how you're
[36:12] showing it, I think it's much deeper
[36:14] than that. So
[36:16] >> much deeper. So yes, I'm not denying
[36:18] that as individuals it's incumbent upon
[36:20] us to have thoughts, feelings, and
[36:22] actions that then lead to some sort of
[36:24] result.
[36:24] >> Yeah.
[36:25] >> But are you separate from the whole of
[36:27] life?
[36:28] >> No.
[36:29] >> No. Okay. How did you meet your
[36:30] girlfriend?
[36:31] >> I I love how I met my girlfriend because
[36:34] I was uh getting frustrated on the
[36:37] dating apps for so long and then uh
[36:39] actually one of your I think one of your
[36:41] mastermind students is a RTT therapist.
[36:43] So I did a session with her and then
[36:46] >> uh we we met organically about a month
[36:48] or so later and the funny thing is I
[36:51] didn't change anything I guess just
[36:53] something had shifted in my perspective
[36:54] or my energy um but there was no no
[36:57] different techniques or anything you
[36:59] know
[37:00] >> where did you meet a grocery store? A
[37:02] party a friend's house like
[37:04] >> so we have Thanksgiving which has just
[37:06] been this this weekend actually and then
[37:08] we met three years ago at a friend's
[37:09] giving.
[37:11] >> Okay. So she was a friend of the friend
[37:13] that you went to too,
[37:14] >> correct? Yeah.
[37:15] >> And you didn't know her before that?
[37:17] >> No.
[37:18] >> Okay. So now just look at that. So was
[37:20] it up to you to make that happen?
[37:24] >> No, that was just life happening for me.
[37:27] >> Oh, okay. Yeah. There you go.
[37:31] Oops. Yeah. So do you see? So when you
[37:35] look through the lens of it's up to you,
[37:37] it's amazing that even something like
[37:39] that happen because even as much as we
[37:41] hold on to the prisons and our
[37:43] constraints and our limitations, life
[37:45] isn't going to let us stay there. So it
[37:47] gave you one example at least and
[37:49] there's probably going to be others that
[37:50] you can recall when you start to feel
[37:51] into this, but you have shut down, not
[37:54] through your own conscious choice. It's
[37:57] not your fault, but you've shut down the
[37:59] energy of receiving, which I could also
[38:01] call contribution.
[38:04] Yeah,
[38:05] >> it will, if you really look at it, it
[38:07] will be very difficult for Paul to
[38:08] receive compliments. It will be very
[38:11] difficult for you to receive
[38:12] opportunities. It will be very difficult
[38:14] for you to receive just cash out of
[38:16] nowhere
[38:17] because it's all up to you. Can you see
[38:20] the conflict between you saying you want
[38:22] to have abundance, but it's all up to
[38:25] you? Yet life, let's put it this way,
[38:28] the whole universe,
[38:30] which is last count 18 plus b billion
[38:33] light years wide, pretty big,
[38:35] >> you know, with everything that's out
[38:36] there.
[38:38] Is that more abundant or is Paul more
[38:41] abundant,
[38:43] >> the universe?
[38:45] >> But it's all up to you.
[38:49] Do you see how asinine it is?
[38:51] >> Yeah.
[38:52] >> You're swimming in abundance. that is
[38:55] constantly I assert trying to contribute
[38:57] to you in ways that you can't calculate
[39:00] like this Thanksgiving where this girl
[39:02] that ends up being someone you love and
[39:03] is your girlfriend shows up out of
[39:05] nowhere is life contributing to you
[39:09] because you're in a space for whatever
[39:11] reason at that moment you become so
[39:13] disenchanted with the dating apps which
[39:14] is Paul got out of his own way for a
[39:16] minute gave up because he was the one
[39:18] trying to make it work and in your
[39:20] giving up you actually opened and life
[39:22] was able to contribute to you for a
[39:24] Second, do you see that?
[39:26] >> Yeah.
[39:27] >> Yeah.
[39:28] >> So to go to go back to my question, one
[39:30] of the things that you are denying
[39:33] is life contributing to you and life is
[39:37] abundance. You told me in your video and
[39:39] at the beginning of this conversation,
[39:41] you know, you want to be financially
[39:43] more successful. You want abundance.
[39:45] >> Yeah.
[39:46] >> But I want you to be responsible for not
[39:48] fault, but powerfully understand the way
[39:51] you relate to life is it's all up to
[39:53] you. So life around you everywhere you
[39:55] go 24/7 is abundance trying to give to
[39:59] you. But the way you relate to it is no.
[40:01] No, it's all up to me. Don't worry about
[40:02] me. I'll take care of it.
[40:07] >> So then you wonder why you're not
[40:08] abundant.
[40:10] >> Yeah.
[40:11] >> Abundance is knocking on your door
[40:13] energetically, but for you, unless it's
[40:16] something that you do, you don't see it.
[40:20] >> Yeah, that's I think that's it. I feel
[40:23] like I, you know, I feel like I'm always
[40:26] working. Even when I'm not working, my
[40:28] mind is thinking about how to do
[40:30] something else.
[40:31] >> Which is exactly what I just said about
[40:32] 10 minutes ago that even when you're
[40:34] sleeping, your brain will be working on
[40:35] how to figure [ __ ] out.
[40:37] >> Yeah.
[40:39] >> But that's the world where you think
[40:40] it's all up to you. Where just through
[40:42] my first example, how did you meet your
[40:44] girlfriend? Prove to you it can't be up
[40:47] to you cuz you could never have
[40:48] calculated, oh, you know what I'm going
[40:50] to do? I'm going to quit dating apps.
[40:51] And then in about a month, I'm going to
[40:53] go to a friend's Thanksgiving and what
[40:54] I'm going to do is I'm going to attract
[40:56] a girl that I've never met before who
[40:58] I'm going to be attracted to. You start
[41:00] to see how preposterous that is.
[41:02] >> Yeah.
[41:04] >> Right.
[41:05] >> Yeah. It's pretty funny, actually.
[41:07] >> It is. It's a [ __ ] joke.
[41:09] >> Yeah. So, this is where you get to pull
[41:11] your head out of your ass, as we say
[41:14] back in the UK, and realize that you
[41:17] really don't have much say in life other
[41:20] than the degree to which you can stop it
[41:22] coming to you.
[41:24] >> Then,
[41:27] you're surrounded. You're literally in
[41:29] the middle of an abundant universe. And
[41:32] through no fault of your own, so there's
[41:34] no guilt, but just notice what you're
[41:36] doing is like blocking it flowing to
[41:38] you.
[41:40] Yeah, that that's what I felt like. I
[41:42] felt there must be some kind of blocks
[41:44] that I'm just not seeing because I don't
[41:47] know how many more things I need to do
[41:49] or how many courses I need to take or
[41:51] how much more knowledge I need to gain.
[41:52] It's like,
[41:54] >> you know what I mean? It's just
[41:55] >> Do I know what you mean? I'm I'm the one
[41:57] helping you see it. Like
[41:59] >> Absolutely.
[42:00] >> I know. It's uh Yeah, it's it's uh it's
[42:04] pretty ridiculous.
[42:05] >> It is ridiculous. So in the absence.
[42:07] Okay. So we said there's no
[42:09] manufacturing label that says it's up to
[42:11] me. It's in your head. What form? In
[42:13] words. So if it's only in words in your
[42:15] head. Is it true? No. Okay. So Paul, in
[42:18] the absence in the absence of it's up to
[42:20] you, and this might feel scary for a
[42:22] minute cuz this is all you've known. You
[42:24] can't relate to life like it's all up to
[42:26] you. That's gone.
[42:28] In fact, it's the opposite. You're like,
[42:29] "No, none of this shit's up to me. I'm
[42:31] part of life and life is just always
[42:33] trying to give to me." So you can't
[42:35] relate to life like it's all up to you.
[42:37] How might you feel walking around?
[42:45] >> I think like my first thoughts were
[42:48] pretty anxious cuz it feels scary.
[42:51] >> That's what I just said. Yeah.
[42:53] >> Yeah. That's the that's the that's the
[42:56] residual self trying to [ __ ] hold on.
[43:00] You don't know any other way to live.
[43:03] So this is why it takes a leap of faith,
[43:05] right? So it's not up to you. Life is
[43:07] not up to you.
[43:10] Now you you co-create.
[43:12] Yeah, you do your part, but it's a very
[43:14] small part relative to what life is
[43:17] doing.
[43:19] >> Like look at it like energetically uh
[43:22] from a physiological perspective, right?
[43:24] You you've studied obviously anatomy,
[43:27] biochemistry.
[43:28] So did you eat something today? Um, I
[43:31] ate some Korean food. It was I had some
[43:35] soup, a little bit of rice, and a little
[43:36] bit of kimchi and an egg.
[43:39] >> Okay, great. So, after you ate it, did
[43:41] you sit to one side and say, "Okay, I
[43:43] can't talk to you right now, girlfriend,
[43:46] because I It's up to me to digest my
[43:49] food, too.
[43:50] [Laughter]
[43:55] >> It's [ __ ] stupid, isn't it?"
[43:57] >> Yeah. I think I'd check myself into a
[43:59] mental hospital if I started saying
[44:00] that.
[44:01] >> Well, you're not far from it,
[44:05] >> right? Yeah. So, you didn't do that.
[44:07] Okay. So, so you're okay with digestion
[44:09] happening without you.
[44:11] >> Yeah.
[44:11] >> Okay. So, you let that go, but you say,
[44:13] "Okay, I'm going to sit down for a
[44:14] minute and I'm just [ __ ] I forgot to
[44:16] keep squeezing my heart so that I can
[44:18] circulate my blood."
[44:20] >> Did Did you No, you didn't do that
[44:21] either. Okay. Did you do the oxygen and
[44:24] carbon dioxide transfer between your
[44:26] lungs and the blood vessels?
[44:28] >> What?
[44:28] >> No, you didn't do that. Okay. Okay. Did
[44:31] you have you been slowly pushing your
[44:33] nails out because of the cell
[44:35] replication so that they can become
[44:37] longer so that you'll clip them in a
[44:38] couple of weeks?
[44:39] >> No.
[44:40] >> No. You There's not much you're really
[44:42] doing, is there really? If we break it
[44:43] down.
[44:45] >> No.
[44:46] >> Right.
[44:46] >> I think consciously just making sure I
[44:49] don't get hit by traffic as I cross the
[44:51] road. But
[44:52] >> yes. Well, you're definitely avoiding a
[44:53] lot, which is where you can start to be
[44:55] responsible for the fact that through
[44:57] the lens of it's up to you. What you're
[45:00] doing is denying that life is always
[45:02] trying to take care of you. From the
[45:03] oxygen you breathe to the carbon dioxide
[45:05] that you exhale to the waste products
[45:08] that go through your kidneys and through
[45:10] your bowels to get rid of any toxins to
[45:13] whatever fights are going on at
[45:15] different cells in your blood and your
[45:17] lymph to be able to remove so that you
[45:19] don't get sick. There are literally
[45:22] billions of reactions happening every
[45:24] day just in your body that you're
[45:27] oblivious to that have got nothing to do
[45:29] with you.
[45:30] >> Yeah.
[45:33] >> And then we can throw in meeting the
[45:35] girl that you apparently are really into
[45:36] cuz you've been with her for 3 years.
[45:38] You could not have orchestrated that,
[45:39] but life took care of it for you.
[45:42] Are you starting to see that life is
[45:45] probably a, you know, slightly more
[45:47] powerful than you?
[45:49] Yeah, definitely.
[45:51] >> Yeah. And and so now really seeing that,
[45:55] what might that feel like for you if you
[45:57] could let life be the 99.9% and pull the
[46:01] one point, you know, 0.1?
[46:04] What might that feel like if you walked
[46:06] around like that?
[46:07] >> Thinking and trying to feel what you
[46:09] just said, the first thing would be more
[46:12] relaxed shoulders and a bit of weight
[46:14] kind of eased off. Um, of course
[46:17] embodiment of it as a as a permanent
[46:19] thing, but that's kind of the feeling.
[46:20] It would be
[46:22] >> if that was a truth and I you know that
[46:24] would be Yeah, I think just a little bit
[46:26] of weight off the shoulders.
[46:28] >> Great.
[46:29] >> I can breathe for a moment.
[46:31] >> Okay. And that's where you pointed to
[46:33] your chest earlier when we spoke of
[46:34] where is it up to me. You pointed to
[46:36] your chest the tightness. Great. So that
[46:38] shows me that you're letting go of that
[46:40] constraint. Why? Because it's not a
[46:41] truth. I mean I could go on. And I could
[46:43] give you another thousand examples of
[46:45] things that happen in your life
[46:46] completely without you being present.
[46:50] >> So again, I can completely and utterly
[46:53] obliterate the lie that it's up to you.
[46:55] >> Not to challenge that, but just as a as
[46:58] a thought that came to me. Yeah. How
[47:00] would you differentiate that when it
[47:02] comes to the conscious and the
[47:03] subconscious mind then?
[47:04] >> Well, your conscious mind is what's
[47:06] really trying to think it's all up to
[47:08] you. your subconscious is already it's
[47:10] already ingrained in that,
[47:12] >> right? Like so what we're trying to do
[47:14] is soften the grip of your body, your
[47:16] lungs, your energetic behavior, your
[47:19] constant rumination even at sleep that
[47:22] is just driving your life and not
[47:24] allowing abundance to flow to you
[47:26] because you're blocking it. You think
[47:28] it's all up to you. Then
[47:30] >> so your subconscious is running the show
[47:33] and then consciously like I said you're
[47:34] trying to you're aspiring to you want to
[47:36] take care of your mom you want to take
[47:37] care of your girlfriend blah da da
[47:40] >> it doesn't matter you can think all day
[47:43] that's why you have these motivational
[47:44] moments for one two 3 months and then
[47:47] you collapse because you're fighting
[47:49] that's the break is your sub your
[47:50] subconscious
[47:52] the accelerator is your conscious cuz
[47:54] you're smart trying to do something
[47:57] again it's all beautiful it's well
[47:58] intended but it's futile
[48:00] Yeah.
[48:01] >> So again, when it's all up to you, what
[48:02] is there no room for in Paul's life?
[48:05] >> There's no room for anything. It's just
[48:08] >> Yeah. And anything is anything is
[48:11] everything and everything is abundance.
[48:14] >> Yeah. So yeah, no room for abundance if
[48:16] it's all up to me. Yeah.
[48:18] >> And what was it you wanted to talk to me
[48:20] about?
[48:21] >> Abundance.
[48:24] >> Yeah.
[48:26] >> Right.
[48:27] >> Yeah. It it felt like I knew there was
[48:29] something blocking me, but I just
[48:31] couldn't see what it was.
[48:33] >> That's why I'm here. So you can see the
[48:34] blind spot, see the lie, the see the
[48:37] prison that you're living in that's so
[48:39] suffocating that tightens your chest
[48:41] that certain tightens your your purse
[48:43] strings and it doesn't allow abundance
[48:44] to flow to you.
[48:47] >> It would be, listen, it would be as real
[48:50] for you to say life just flows
[48:52] abundantly to me. How would that feel if
[48:55] that's your reality? life flows
[48:57] abundantly to you.
[48:59] >> It feels
[49:01] freeing to some degree, but there's also
[49:03] a thought there of um which I know is
[49:06] ridiculous. It's like, oh, but then I
[49:08] don't know what's going to happen and I
[49:09] need to take back is is that trying to
[49:11] fight it again, which
[49:13] >> the same thing. This is going to be a
[49:14] challenge like anybody, right? Is that
[49:16] you I I have now for probably like close
[49:18] to 30 minutes at least, maybe 40,
[49:20] pointed out the prison, but that pales
[49:22] in comparison to 35 36 years of
[49:25] conditioning. Yeah. Yeah.
[49:27] >> And this is strong in you. And so this
[49:29] is going to be your challenge is not
[49:31] what I'm telling you in terms of the
[49:32] truth. The truth is life is abundant.
[49:34] >> And the truth is in terms of your
[49:36] reality and your conditioning, you've
[49:38] been looking through past tense. You've
[49:40] been looking through a lens of
[49:42] constraint. The thing is we become so
[49:45] identified with the constraint. We think
[49:46] it's the way it is. It's not. You don't
[49:49] have it like this is Paul's view. You
[49:51] have it like this is life.
[49:56] For somebody else, they might be walking
[49:57] around right now with like stacks of
[49:59] money coming their way because they're
[50:01] like, "Oh yeah, [ __ ] Life just gives to
[50:02] me. It's crazy. Like I go to this and
[50:04] someone gives me a check and I go to
[50:05] that and I meet this beautiful girl and
[50:07] then I get a job opportunity." Like
[50:09] that's equally not necessarily the
[50:10] truth, but it's the way they relate to
[50:11] life.
[50:13] >> Exactly.
[50:14] >> So what your challenge is is not whether
[50:16] life is going to contribute to you, but
[50:18] it's letting go of the false illusory
[50:21] belief that you've been living in. M
[50:24] >> and that's going to take some practice
[50:25] cuz that's going to be scary cuz you
[50:27] think unless you know you're holding the
[50:29] steering wheel, shit's going to go
[50:31] [ __ ] haywire.
[50:32] >> Yeah. Which probably goes back to the
[50:34] the fearful little boy of not you know
[50:38] worried about not being okay.
[50:39] >> Yeah. So that's the second part we want
[50:41] to get to, right? So that is exactly
[50:42] where you try to control circumstances
[50:44] for your own survival. So what you end
[50:47] up doing is just controlling a very
[50:48] small world that is lacking abundance.
[50:52] It's lacking contribution. It's lacking
[50:54] receiving.
[50:56] >> Okay. So, let's look at the second one
[50:58] as you brought it up and it's perfect
[50:59] timing. If I were to cut you open, am I
[51:01] going to find a manufacturing label
[51:03] physical inside of you that says, Paul,
[51:05] born in the UK, he's not going to be
[51:07] okay?
[51:08] >> No,
[51:09] >> not at all. So, where does it live?
[51:12] >> In the mind.
[51:13] >> Yeah. And what is it made up of?
[51:16] >> Just words. Vibration.
[51:18] >> Yeah. Literally just words. Blah blah
[51:20] blah. Yeah.
[51:21] >> And when you look through that lens, we
[51:23] know that you have avoidant energy. You
[51:25] feel scared. You're worried. You
[51:26] procrastinate. And you really don't move
[51:28] forward with things in life even though
[51:30] you're trying.
[51:32] >> Great. So, it's just words in your mind.
[51:34] It's just sound. I'm not going to be
[51:37] okay. So, is it an absolute truth
[51:41] that who you are is that you're not
[51:43] going to be okay?
[51:46] >> No.
[51:47] >> It's not. And right out of the gate,
[51:49] where's the evidence that we know it's
[51:50] not true?
[51:53] >> Cuz I am okay.
[51:54] >> Cuz you're there.
[51:55] >> Yeah.
[51:58] >> Cuz you're right in front of us, right?
[52:00] >> Yeah.
[52:01] >> Yeah. So, it's a pathetic lie. Not only
[52:04] is it a lie, but it's a terrible one.
[52:08] >> But it does a great job of creating your
[52:10] anxiety, your fear, your being scared,
[52:12] and hence being avoidant.
[52:15] So the combination of the two, one cuts
[52:17] you off from life and then the other
[52:19] prevents you from pursuing life. So then
[52:22] you wonder why you're living in a
[52:23] nonabundant universe.
[52:26] >> And your main concern, rightly so, was
[52:28] finances.
[52:30] >> Yeah.
[52:32] >> So is it true that you're not going to
[52:33] be okay?
[52:35] >> No.
[52:36] >> No. Okay. So in the absence of that
[52:39] fear, and again, this is a world that
[52:41] you're not familiar with that I'm
[52:42] introducing you to. So, it takes a
[52:43] little bit of a leap and a bit of
[52:45] imagination.
[52:46] >> What if Paul could not relate to life
[52:48] like he's not going to be okay?
[52:49] Literally impossible. As it relates to
[52:51] the future, you had no fear, no avoidant
[52:53] energy, no concern for your own
[52:54] survival. How might you feel in the way
[52:57] that you go about life?
[53:02] Relaxed.
[53:03] >> Yeah, there you go. That was a nice
[53:05] >> Yeah,
[53:07] relaxed. And uh like I don't need to be
[53:11] rushing. I don't need to be anywhere. I
[53:12] don't need to do anything like specific.
[53:14] I'm It's It's all good.
[53:16] >> Yeah. Taken care of. Isn't that cool?
[53:19] >> Yeah.
[53:20] >> So, not only is it taken care of, which
[53:22] is more the present experience cuz it's
[53:24] not up to you. And by the way, in the
[53:26] absence of it's up to you, it can't be
[53:28] your fault, right? That helps get rid of
[53:29] the guilt and the shame and the
[53:31] pressure.
[53:32] >> Do you see the correlation of those two?
[53:34] >> Yeah.
[53:34] >> And then if it's you're not going to not
[53:36] be okay because it's a double negative,
[53:38] right? You lived past tense in the I'm
[53:41] not going to be okay. What I'm telling
[53:42] you is you're not not going to be okay.
[53:45] So it dissolves it. It's gone. Oh [ __ ]
[53:48] I can relax. I don't have to keep
[53:50] looking out for worst case scenarios.
[53:53] >> Yeah.
[53:53] >> So not only does it allow you to soften,
[53:55] which is a receiving energy. So things
[53:57] from the future now can start to align.
[53:59] They literally are aligning based on
[54:01] your shift energetically with new
[54:03] possibilities you can't possibly
[54:04] imagine. just like meeting your
[54:06] girlfriend 3 years ago at a Thanksgiving
[54:08] dinner because you're out of the way
[54:10] now. So life is like, "Oh, okay. If
[54:12] you're not worried about all of these
[54:13] worst case pending doomfilled futures,
[54:16] we'll remove those and we'll bring you
[54:18] something that's way more inspiring and
[54:21] contributo, right? So you can just relax
[54:24] and receive. And by the way, if there's
[54:28] nothing to worry about, when you are
[54:30] motivated or you are inspired, your
[54:32] action becomes way more powerful moving
[54:34] forward cuz you're now just on the
[54:36] accelerator when it's appropriate, not
[54:38] on the break at the same time.
[54:40] >> It kind of makes me think of that this
[54:42] idea of create create from a place of
[54:45] inspiration rather than from
[54:46] desperation.
[54:48] >> Yeah. Massive distinction from love of
[54:51] life versus fear of life. And you've
[54:53] been living a very desperate life. It's
[54:55] desperate to think it's all up to you.
[54:56] And it's desperate for for sure to think
[54:59] that you're not going to be okay.
[55:03] >> Totally different human being just
[55:06] through the eradication and the
[55:07] dissolution of these two lies that have
[55:09] been defining you for 30 plus years.
[55:12] >> So do you do you sense a shift from our
[55:14] conversation?
[55:15] >> Subtle. You know, there's a lot of you
[55:17] you you you have lived in this space for
[55:19] so long and there's a real attachment to
[55:21] it. It's going to take you a minute, you
[55:23] know, based on your makeup because part
[55:25] of it's up to you means that you now
[55:27] think it's up to you to figure this all
[55:29] out, too.
[55:31] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[55:33] >> Right. And also, the fear that you're
[55:35] not going to be okay buys into the fear
[55:37] that you're not going to get this right.
[55:39] So, they're both going to be lingering
[55:40] in the background. Right. So, it's going
[55:43] to take a minute for you to really
[55:44] [ __ ] relax, get over yourself, and as
[55:46] I said earlier, pull your head out of
[55:48] your ass and realize, "Oh, I I am the
[55:51] only thing in the way of complete
[55:52] abundance, which is ever present around
[55:55] me."
[55:57] >> So, it's going to take some practice. We
[55:58] start with awareness and then we move
[56:00] into practice. And the practice is going
[56:01] to be like, I don't know if you're at
[56:02] home with your girlfriend, but you go
[56:04] and tell her whatever like you share
[56:06] whatever comes to mind of like, "Honey,
[56:08] you're not going to believe this. you
[56:09] know, I have forever thought it's all up
[56:11] to me. Like, I think it's up to me to
[56:12] take care of you. I think it's up to me
[56:14] to make sure that I have enough money so
[56:15] you don't have to work. And she will
[56:17] probably say something like, "Well,
[56:18] yeah, I know that's what you do all the
[56:20] time
[56:23] cuz they always see it." And I've also
[56:25] been so scared that things aren't going
[56:27] to work out, which creates a massive
[56:28] amount of pressure, which is why I
[56:30] procrastinate and I have avoidant
[56:31] energy. Be like, "Yeah, no, I know that
[56:33] about you. That's why you're always
[56:34] anxious."
[56:36] >> Yeah. So sharing with her and whomever
[56:39] is appropriate will help you to
[56:41] reinforce your own new reality. And then
[56:44] you have to update and say you know what
[56:46] I am so open to life just [ __ ] taking
[56:49] care of details for me. I am so open to
[56:51] life contributing to me out of nowhere.
[56:54] I am not going to live in a place of
[56:56] fear where my future is filled with
[56:58] worst case scenarios. I my future is
[57:01] phenomenal.
[57:03] That's what's going to inspire me.
[57:04] Right? You start to create a new way of
[57:06] relating to who provides abundance and
[57:10] what your future looks like
[57:13] >> and you literally literally will be a
[57:16] different human being. Now are you going
[57:17] to slip back to the old way of thinking?
[57:19] Of course. You know you got just over an
[57:21] hour of me talking to you of which maybe
[57:23] 30 40 minutes was the the revealing part
[57:27] compared to as I said 35 six seven years
[57:30] of you know you thinking life is a
[57:32] certain way. Yeah.
[57:36] >> So, if it's not up to you, because it's
[57:38] not, which opens up receptivity,
[57:41] contribution, and abundance, and you're
[57:44] not not going to be okay, meaning
[57:46] there's nothing to fear.
[57:48] How could you be in the world? How could
[57:50] how could Paul feel as he walks around?
[57:56] >> Well, I could feel, as I as I shared,
[58:00] relaxed. I could feel free. Um,
[58:03] >> I could spread my wings a bit. Um,
[58:06] >> yeah,
[58:07] >> I feel like I would be of better service
[58:11] to the people in my life, to myself, to
[58:13] my clients. Um,
[58:14] >> 100%.
[58:17] >> And those that I love. Yeah. I just
[58:20] Yeah, I think that that's kind of what
[58:23] what comes up for me.
[58:25] >> Great. So, now you get to practice that,
[58:26] right? Because even your anatomy is so
[58:29] trained to be a little tense, to be a
[58:31] little tight because it's up to you.
[58:33] That creates pressure and you're not
[58:35] going to be okay. That creates defense.
[58:37] Both of which energetically anatomically
[58:40] create resistance.
[58:42] >> Yeah.
[58:42] >> So, one of the things for you,
[58:44] particularly if you're in the world of
[58:45] fitness, it will be good, is to shake it
[58:46] all out. like you know whatever that
[58:48] looks like whether it's a boxing class,
[58:49] you go for a run, you do some sprints,
[58:51] you do some crazy workout, hit training,
[58:53] it doesn't really matter to to to loosen
[58:55] your body,
[58:57] >> right?
[58:57] >> To soften because your psychology has
[59:00] seeped into every cell of your body to
[59:02] create resistance and tension.
[59:05] >> Yeah.
[59:05] >> Can you see that?
[59:07] >> Yeah.
[59:07] >> Which is why when you said, "Wow, I can
[59:09] feel like I can breathe easier." Great.
[59:10] We got a semblance. We got a we got a
[59:12] reflection of the softness coming in.
[59:14] You would feel more relaxed. you know,
[59:16] you let out a couple of big exhales.
[59:18] These are all the anatomical reflection
[59:20] of your mind starting to soften, which
[59:22] is what I want to see.
[59:24] >> If you want to accelerate that process
[59:26] or at least continue it and progress it,
[59:28] then you you got to keep softening your
[59:30] body and realize, holy [ __ ] I'm in an
[59:32] abundant universe that is constantly
[59:34] trying to contribute to me. The only
[59:35] thing that's ever got in the way of that
[59:37] is the way that I related to myself and
[59:39] life, and that was a lie.
[59:42] >> Yeah.
[59:44] >> Okay.
[59:45] >> Yeah. So, books and massages as well and
[59:47] that kind of stuff.
[59:48] >> Yeah, massages. Drink lots of water.
[59:51] Flush out all of these old toxins that
[59:53] are associated with constraint.
[59:55] >> And more than anything, lighten up.
[59:58] >> Yeah.
[1:00:00] >> Yeah.
[1:00:00] >> You've been through some heavy stuff. I
[1:00:02] get it. And for that, I have compassion.
[1:00:03] Whether it be with your dad, I get how
[1:00:05] scary that is. Especially when you've
[1:00:06] got competition with brothers either
[1:00:08] side of you. or the middle child
[1:00:10] combined with whatever you had to
[1:00:11] witness with Matt that makes life feel
[1:00:13] so scary, fragile, and precious, which
[1:00:15] again you used as evidence to put more
[1:00:17] pressure on yourself.
[1:00:19] >> And as hard as this is to hear, whatever
[1:00:21] Matt went through was precisely what he
[1:00:23] went through. That was what his soul
[1:00:24] decided it needed.
[1:00:27] >> There's nothing you could have done.
[1:00:28] There's nothing anyone else could have
[1:00:29] done. That's exactly the way he drew up
[1:00:31] his life. So even there, you can find
[1:00:34] some softness and forgive yourself for
[1:00:36] what you think you might have done or
[1:00:37] should have done. It's all it's
[1:00:39] completely erroneous.
[1:00:42] >> Life is unfolding precisely the way it's
[1:00:44] meant to for everyone, including this
[1:00:46] conversation I'm having with you, my
[1:00:47] friend. So, you don't even have to have
[1:00:48] guilt or shame about the way you've been
[1:00:50] living. It's totally fine. But now, now
[1:00:54] with the new awareness, you have the
[1:00:55] opportunity to lighten up, to relax, to
[1:00:57] breathe, and to be open to life
[1:00:59] contributing to you.
[1:01:02] And that is abundance.
[1:01:04] >> Yeah, I I feel that.
[1:01:07] How do I get the the piece right between
[1:01:11] action and allowing though?
[1:01:14] >> Cuz obviously I do need to take some
[1:01:16] action. You know, I can't just
[1:01:18] >> Well, we don't know that. Let's let's
[1:01:19] let's let's just consider you don't have
[1:01:21] to take action. There is some action.
[1:01:23] Sure, you had to go to the Thanksgiving
[1:01:25] party to meet her,
[1:01:26] >> but did you who knows if you'd run into
[1:01:28] her 3 days later in a grocery store by
[1:01:30] accident, you know? Okay. Well, then I
[1:01:32] had to go to the grocery store. Yeah,
[1:01:34] you could fill in the hadto's for
[1:01:35] everything. But what I want you to
[1:01:37] consider, which is such a leap for you,
[1:01:39] is that your life is curated,
[1:01:41] orchestrated precisely for what you
[1:01:43] need. So you can just lighten up and
[1:01:45] relax. You can't [ __ ] it up.
[1:01:50] >> And feel feel in your body. What would
[1:01:52] that be like if there's literally
[1:01:54] nothing that you can do to [ __ ] it up or
[1:01:57] to avoid all of the goodness that is on
[1:01:59] the way to you?
[1:02:02] I know that's so foreign to your nervous
[1:02:04] system, but that's the inquiry for you
[1:02:07] to look at. How would I feel knowing
[1:02:10] that everything that is destined for me
[1:02:13] is on the way.
[1:02:17] My only task is to be present and to
[1:02:19] allow it and to follow my instincts of
[1:02:22] what feels good in the moment of whether
[1:02:24] it's I go to bed early, I go to a party,
[1:02:26] I go to this meeting, I go to the gym,
[1:02:29] like just just let life orchestrate the
[1:02:32] details for you.
[1:02:37] So yes, taking action, but taking action
[1:02:40] that feels in alignment with your
[1:02:43] highest good and then trusting and
[1:02:46] allowing life to contribute the rest.
[1:02:50] That is such a foreign world for you. I
[1:02:52] know and it's going to take some
[1:02:53] practice.
[1:02:54] >> But if you have
[1:02:55] >> I feel like I feel like that message is
[1:02:57] more in my head at the minute and maybe
[1:03:01] it takes some work to integrate into the
[1:03:03] feeling of it.
[1:03:04] >> Of course. Yeah, it's going to take a
[1:03:05] while to sink in below your neck, but
[1:03:08] you've had enough moments where you
[1:03:09] pointed to your chest with the relief
[1:03:10] that you could breathe easier. You've
[1:03:12] had some big exhales. Your shoulders did
[1:03:15] drop. Your body did feel more relaxed.
[1:03:17] So, it is there.
[1:03:19] >> It's just your body is going to
[1:03:21] reference your mind and your mind is
[1:03:23] want to go back to what you've known.
[1:03:25] So, that's the practice is to keep
[1:03:27] letting go of the old conditioning and
[1:03:29] the old programming by realizing it's
[1:03:31] just not true.
[1:03:33] It's just not true that it's up to you.
[1:03:34] Do you play your part? Yes. But it's not
[1:03:36] all up to you. Are you not going to be
[1:03:38] okay? No. That's just not true. How do
[1:03:40] we know that? You're there. I can see
[1:03:42] you.
[1:03:44] >> Right.
[1:03:45] >> Yeah.
[1:03:46] >> So to start to live in the truth of we
[1:03:48] don't know what's going to happen. But
[1:03:49] stop filling the I don't know with worst
[1:03:51] case scenarios.
[1:03:54] >> Got it.
[1:03:55] >> Okay. That's a different world, isn't
[1:03:57] it?
[1:03:58] >> Yeah, definitely. I I recently went away
[1:04:01] for like 3 weeks and I think that
[1:04:04] experience of just not focusing on goals
[1:04:06] and work and whatever else was it felt
[1:04:09] so good. I just felt like I needed it
[1:04:11] which is kind of I think what how you
[1:04:13] were saying just to be living every day
[1:04:15] anyway.
[1:04:16] >> Yes. And then you don't need to go away
[1:04:18] because you're living in an abundant
[1:04:19] vacation type world which is called life
[1:04:21] itself.
[1:04:23] >> Yeah.
[1:04:24] >> Yeah. Awesome. So, you've already got an
[1:04:26] example of that recently of what that
[1:04:28] felt like to just let go of the control,
[1:04:30] to let go of the fear, to let go of the
[1:04:33] need to make things happen.
[1:04:35] >> Yeah.
[1:04:36] >> Okay.
[1:04:39] >> Yeah. It's going to take it's going to
[1:04:41] take some uh some practice, but I'm uh
[1:04:44] I'm definitely on board with this and I
[1:04:46] really appreciate you helping me uh see
[1:04:49] some of those blind spots and shift some
[1:04:51] stuff around.
[1:04:53] >> Yeah, you're welcome, mate. And again it
[1:04:54] is but you know
[1:04:57] you don't know how long and you don't
[1:04:59] know how hard right so just even that
[1:05:01] you just want to keep letting go of not
[1:05:03] knowing right you didn't know that this
[1:05:05] was going to be the conversation we had
[1:05:06] you had maybe some sort of semblance of
[1:05:09] hope or thought that I might be able to
[1:05:11] point out a blind spot but you didn't
[1:05:13] know this is what was going to happen
[1:05:14] right
[1:05:15] >> exactly and you know I was in bed last
[1:05:19] night struggling to sleep because I was
[1:05:20] excited and worried about this
[1:05:22] conversation I was like What? Yeah. Just
[1:05:24] the fear of the unknown.
[1:05:26] >> Um Yeah.
[1:05:27] >> Yeah. Which isn't the fear of the
[1:05:29] unknown. It's the fear of your part,
[1:05:31] which is you're not going to be okay.
[1:05:32] Like you might not get what you want
[1:05:34] from Peter Cone. It might not work out.
[1:05:35] What if he doesn't help me? All of
[1:05:37] that's the fear.
[1:05:38] >> Yeah.
[1:05:39] >> This was more the unknown, which is that
[1:05:41] I pointed out something you couldn't
[1:05:42] see.
[1:05:44] >> Yeah.
[1:05:44] >> That's the good part. So again, there's
[1:05:46] more evidence. So when you stop trying
[1:05:47] to figure it all out and let life show
[1:05:49] you something you can't anticipate, it
[1:05:51] works out.
[1:05:53] You see?
[1:05:54] >> Yeah.
[1:05:54] >> You become way too smart to figure [ __ ]
[1:05:56] out.
[1:05:58] >> Yeah.
[1:05:59] >> You know, this is one of my quotes for
[1:06:01] you that will make sense. I say, "Being
[1:06:04] smart doesn't make you any happier. It
[1:06:07] just makes your reasons why you're not
[1:06:09] way more convincing."
[1:06:13] >> Neither.
[1:06:14] >> Do you get that?
[1:06:16] >> Yeah. Stupid people do all sorts of [ __ ]
[1:06:18] that they shouldn't do because they
[1:06:19] don't think about the ramifications or
[1:06:21] the consequences.
[1:06:23] >> So, you would benefit from dumbing down
[1:06:25] a bit. Of course, it's not going to
[1:06:27] actually happen, but to stop trying to
[1:06:29] figure it all out, be a little bit more,
[1:06:32] you know, quote unquote uh oblivious and
[1:06:35] and let life surprise you.
[1:06:39] >> Okay.
[1:06:40] >> Yeah, that'll be my uh practice.
[1:06:42] >> That is your homework. Stop knowing so
[1:06:44] much.
[1:06:46] So it certainly saves you time from
[1:06:48] having to do more [ __ ] courses and
[1:06:49] learning [ __ ]
[1:06:51] >> Yeah.
[1:06:53] >> Listen, Paul, such a pleasure to be with
[1:06:54] you. I appreciate your vulnerability.
[1:06:56] Certainly sharing, you know, some of
[1:06:58] these very difficult experiences
[1:07:00] certainly with your friend Matt and even
[1:07:02] as a kid with your dad. You know, these
[1:07:03] are scary things for a kid and certainly
[1:07:05] for you to share. Uh I appreciate your
[1:07:07] generosity and your contribution to me
[1:07:10] and the people who get to watch this and
[1:07:12] listen. uh because I promise you there
[1:07:14] are millions of people who have the same
[1:07:16] kind of constraints that you've shared
[1:07:18] and hopefully through you you've already
[1:07:20] started to make a help by helping them
[1:07:21] see that they're not truths and that
[1:07:23] they too can live from a place of
[1:07:25] freedom and let life contribute to them
[1:07:26] effortlessly too. So thank you for for
[1:07:29] your generosity
[1:07:31] of course and I appreciate uh you taking
[1:07:34] the time to help me and uh that was one
[1:07:36] of my other goals with this. I wanted to
[1:07:38] help more people. I'm sure there's going
[1:07:40] to be some others that can relate to it.
[1:07:41] So, thank you again.
[1:07:43] >> Just real briefly, um I wanted to ask
[1:07:46] you just cuz your your perspective and
[1:07:48] your background, do you
[1:07:51] >> what would you advise me in terms of and
[1:07:53] I know I don't want to be doing more
[1:07:54] now, but with the transition into kind
[1:07:57] of the mindset stuff from fitness, do
[1:07:59] you have any kind of just advice about
[1:08:02] that kind of path of of how we might
[1:08:05] approach things?
[1:08:07] >> Absolutely. Based on what we just
[1:08:08] shared, don't even think about it for a
[1:08:10] while.
[1:08:11] >> Okay.
[1:08:13] >> Yeah. Cuz that's strengthening or
[1:08:15] continuing to use the muscle where
[1:08:17] you're trying to figure it out. You
[1:08:19] know, you don't know that in 10 days
[1:08:20] somebody says, "Hey, you know, I watched
[1:08:22] your Instagram clip or I don't know what
[1:08:23] you have out there in the world." And
[1:08:25] they're like, "Would you be open to like
[1:08:26] just doing a coaching session with me?"
[1:08:29] >> I I you know, they're the kind of things
[1:08:30] that happen.
[1:08:32] >> Yeah.
[1:08:32] >> When you're open and not trying to
[1:08:34] figure it out. So for now, your only job
[1:08:36] is to not know, is to relax, to have a
[1:08:39] little bit more fun, to be responsible
[1:08:42] for your real wellness, not your
[1:08:43] physical, you know, sculpted wellness of
[1:08:46] your body. I'm sure you're in great
[1:08:48] shape, but more energetically to be
[1:08:50] relaxed, to be open, to be receiving,
[1:08:52] and let life contri contribute to you.
[1:08:55] So, for now, I would at least take a
[1:08:57] week off uh of trying to figure anything
[1:08:59] out about a transition or what you're
[1:09:01] meant to do or any of that and just let
[1:09:03] life surprise you.
[1:09:05] >> Okay.
[1:09:06] >> Okay.
[1:09:07] >> Yeah. Homework accepted.
[1:09:09] >> Homework is don't do anything.
[1:09:11] >> Yeah.
[1:09:13] >> Okay.
[1:09:14] >> What a great assignment that is. I
[1:09:16] guarantee you every student around the
[1:09:18] world is I wish I had a teacher like
[1:09:19] Peter Cron who told me my homework is to
[1:09:21] do jack [ __ ] Definitely.
[1:09:24] >> You're going to do stuff, but you know
[1:09:25] what I mean.
[1:09:26] >> Yeah.
[1:09:26] >> Okay.
[1:09:27] >> I appreciate it, Peter. Thank you so
[1:09:29] much. I'm extremely grateful.
[1:09:31] >> It's a pleasure to be with you, mate. I
[1:09:33] look forward to catching up and uh to
[1:09:35] hear hopefully, you know, a little bit
[1:09:36] more fun, a lot better breathing, and
[1:09:38] maybe some surprise contributions from
[1:09:41] life.
[1:09:42] >> Yeah, of course. Likewise.
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[1:10:18] I'm just really curious in this
[1:10:20] follow-up just to see how you've been,
[1:10:22] things that you've realized, maybe some
[1:10:24] different patterns that you've noticed
[1:10:25] or behaviors that you've experienced,
[1:10:27] and obviously if you have any other
[1:10:29] questions based on what we discussed.
[1:10:32] >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, firstly, uh I
[1:10:35] mean, I didn't really have the time to
[1:10:36] thank you enough, Peter. Honestly, I'm
[1:10:38] extremely grateful having the chance to
[1:10:42] uh have that one-on-one interaction was
[1:10:44] amazing. Um, and on reflection, I think
[1:10:47] at the time I was very nervous. I felt
[1:10:50] after our call, I don't get sweaty much,
[1:10:53] but my armpits were drenched. And I
[1:10:55] don't I don't know if it was just like
[1:10:58] uh just my body releasing stuff or if I
[1:11:00] was just, you know, as a combination of
[1:11:02] things. Um,
[1:11:04] >> yeah, I uh I guess I have that effect on
[1:11:06] people.
[1:11:07] >> Yeah. It means I was like, "Oh, I don't
[1:11:10] have to work out now. I can just talk to
[1:11:11] Peter and I was going to get my
[1:11:13] benefits."
[1:11:13] >> Yeah. just have an emotional workout.
[1:11:15] >> Um but yeah, no I I think on reflection
[1:11:19] it was it was really powerful like I
[1:11:21] haven't had uh any you know physical
[1:11:24] changes in my in my life uh with regards
[1:11:27] to the outcomes that I wanted
[1:11:29] >> but I did take your your suggestions to
[1:11:33] you know basically just not do stuff for
[1:11:35] a while and stop trying to do too much.
[1:11:38] Um, which which has been nice. And
[1:11:41] >> I think the biggest thing I found is
[1:11:44] that
[1:11:45] your the conversation that we had the
[1:11:48] the blind spots that you helped me see,
[1:11:51] I think the two the two main ones were
[1:11:53] the um it's all up to me and um you
[1:11:56] know, I'm not going to be okay in the
[1:11:58] future. Something bad is going to
[1:11:59] happen.
[1:11:59] >> Yeah.
[1:12:00] >> And
[1:12:01] >> exactly. I think really um some of the
[1:12:05] other stuff that I've been interested in
[1:12:08] uh in the spiritual kind of realm, I've
[1:12:11] started seeing a lot more patterns of
[1:12:13] things that you were saying and I
[1:12:15] actually didn't mention I don't think
[1:12:16] but several years ago I chatted with
[1:12:19] Abraham Hicks. I went in the hot seat
[1:12:21] and a message at the time was actually
[1:12:24] uh I think the struggle I had was living
[1:12:27] in the present moment and I think the
[1:12:29] message that you gave me and that
[1:12:31] Abraham Hicks gave me was very similar
[1:12:33] and then I'm starting to see these
[1:12:35] patterns in,
[1:12:36] >> you know, lots of the spiritual uh
[1:12:38] teachings. Um so yeah, I I think there's
[1:12:42] a lot you know a lot there. Um, and
[1:12:46] really I think you you said to me
[1:12:49] something like more than anything to
[1:12:50] lighten up and I was like, yeah, you
[1:12:52] know, I I'm a bit I can be in that
[1:12:54] energy sometimes where I'm thinking
[1:12:56] about the current situation or I'm
[1:12:58] thinking about my problems or I'm
[1:13:00] thinking about the past and it's just
[1:13:01] like it's just a croc of [ __ ] you know?
[1:13:03] It doesn't have any influence on my
[1:13:05] future really. So just getting out of
[1:13:08] that I think the biggest takeaway was
[1:13:10] just
[1:13:11] >> getting out of that head space and
[1:13:12] honestly like doing whatever I'm doing
[1:13:14] if I'm playing football or if I'm you
[1:13:16] know going out in nature somewhere or
[1:13:18] whatever to lighten my mood and to feel
[1:13:20] better and then to not be so focused on
[1:13:24] >> trying to force change. Um and then
[1:13:27] really like tapping into the universal
[1:13:29] supply. Uh not using my own mind to look
[1:13:32] at my existing reality. Just trusting
[1:13:34] cuz you had shared with me,
[1:13:36] >> you know, it cracked me up when you said
[1:13:38] about the examples of making my
[1:13:41] fingernails grow themselves and you know
[1:13:43] consciously digesting my food and stuff
[1:13:45] cuz it's it's it's ridiculous really. So
[1:13:49] yeah, no no no like massive changes in
[1:13:51] my physical environment, but I
[1:13:53] definitely think there's more awareness
[1:13:54] and some insights and I'm probably more
[1:13:56] at a point now where I'm looking to uh
[1:13:59] embody some of these on a deeper level.
[1:14:01] Uh whatever that looks like. Um but
[1:14:03] those are just some kind of thoughts
[1:14:04] that have come up since our
[1:14:06] conversation.
[1:14:07] >> I love it. And whilst, you know, I I
[1:14:11] love the candidness, I love the honesty,
[1:14:14] and whilst it might seem, as you said,
[1:14:15] that there aren't any drastic changes in
[1:14:18] your physical circumstances,
[1:14:20] I would say they pale in comparison
[1:14:23] anyway to the changes in your internal
[1:14:25] terrain, right? So if you're to use your
[1:14:29] correct medical term, a croc of [ __ ]
[1:14:33] you know, recognizing how much you were
[1:14:36] just attending to your own thoughts,
[1:14:38] worried about things, trying to control
[1:14:40] things. Like I think for myself with the
[1:14:44] work that I've done here now for two and
[1:14:45] a half decades with people, there is so
[1:14:48] much more value to be had by a change in
[1:14:50] your inner experience of life than there
[1:14:53] is in your circumstances. Right? Like
[1:14:55] I've worked with I don't know close to
[1:14:58] 15 20 billionaires at this point. So you
[1:15:00] could argue that their circumstances are
[1:15:02] quintessentially perfect ideal but they
[1:15:05] don't have peace. You know they still
[1:15:07] struggle with anxiety, frustration,
[1:15:09] anger, depression, broken relationships,
[1:15:13] children that you know have ended up
[1:15:15] addicted to substances. Like there's all
[1:15:18] sorts of suffering, right?
[1:15:19] >> Yeah. So what I love and this is going
[1:15:21] to be your next
[1:15:23] opportunity is that the term I use is
[1:15:26] frequency precedes form, right? So
[1:15:29] meaning as Paul changes his internal
[1:15:32] vibration, then okay, it maybe isn't
[1:15:35] instantaneous or perhaps at the speed
[1:15:37] that we sometimes want or that you want,
[1:15:39] but it is nonetheless going to happen.
[1:15:42] Meaning you keep staying in that lighter
[1:15:44] frame of mind where you're more present.
[1:15:46] So you're less preoccupied with trying
[1:15:48] to control things, trying to, you know,
[1:15:51] believe that it's all up to you, as we
[1:15:52] discussed, or as the default setting for
[1:15:54] most people's brains is worried about a
[1:15:56] future outcome that hasn't happened yet,
[1:15:58] meaning, you know, that you're not going
[1:15:59] to be okay. When all of that just
[1:16:01] dissipates and you truly embody where
[1:16:04] you are and you focus on what you're
[1:16:06] doing from a place of presence and
[1:16:09] peace, then you will have power to
[1:16:12] influence life. You just will. Um, and
[1:16:16] life will meet you there. As opposed to
[1:16:19] you constantly reinforcing the internal
[1:16:21] energy of lack or scarcity, which is the
[1:16:24] precursor to worrying about a future
[1:16:27] that hasn't happened yet. Right? If you
[1:16:28] knew that your life worked out and that
[1:16:31] all of the success that we talked about
[1:16:33] that you want to establish was going to
[1:16:36] happen, you know that you would feel a
[1:16:40] sense of peace, a sense of calm, a sense
[1:16:42] of confidence, right? And so that's the
[1:16:44] energy that we want to continue to
[1:16:45] harness to strengthen because that is
[1:16:48] the precursor to those events
[1:16:50] transpiring. Does that make sense?
[1:16:52] >> Yeah, absolutely. It's it's kind of like
[1:16:55] when people think when I have this thing
[1:16:58] then I will feel this way. Whereas
[1:17:01] actually from I think you what you teach
[1:17:04] and um I'm seeing some of the patterns
[1:17:06] now because of a conversation is that
[1:17:09] actually focus on those thoughts and
[1:17:11] feelings now and then go through your
[1:17:14] day-to-day life and then that's probably
[1:17:16] as a byproduct those things are more
[1:17:17] likely to happen because it's an
[1:17:19] energetic shift
[1:17:20] >> 100%. That's the process of creation,
[1:17:23] right? A very simple sort of tagline
[1:17:26] that a lot of people may have heard
[1:17:27] before as it relates to creation is be,
[1:17:29] do, have, right? And
[1:17:31] >> most people have it the other way
[1:17:32] around, have, do, be, which, which is if
[1:17:34] I have what I want, then I can, you
[1:17:35] know, if I have more money or if I have
[1:17:37] the partner, then I can do the things
[1:17:39] that I really am committed to and then I
[1:17:41] can be happy. Right? And it's a very
[1:17:44] simple breakdown. And so the way that we
[1:17:46] feel to use your terms the the internal
[1:17:49] terrain of who we be as human beings is
[1:17:53] what drives what we do. And then as a
[1:17:56] byproduct of that we get what we have
[1:17:58] right. So if your who if who Paul was
[1:18:01] being before was nervous and stressed
[1:18:04] and controlling then the things you do
[1:18:06] had to be an extension of that and
[1:18:08] therefore you had the life that you had.
[1:18:10] >> Yeah. the more that you can embrace Paul
[1:18:13] being free, confident, at peace,
[1:18:15] present, you know, joyous, loving,
[1:18:18] powerful. If you know, these are the
[1:18:20] qualities that you exude, then it's it's
[1:18:24] a natural extension that your
[1:18:26] communication and your actions are going
[1:18:28] to be commensurate with that energy and
[1:18:30] therefore the results have to reflect
[1:18:32] that. Do you understand?
[1:18:33] >> Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And most people
[1:18:35] because of the default setting of the
[1:18:37] brain, you know, have it the other way
[1:18:38] around, which is this sort of one day
[1:18:40] phenomenon when, as you said, I get
[1:18:42] whatever it is that I think I I think I
[1:18:44] want because what we think we want isn't
[1:18:46] what we want. We actually want the
[1:18:48] experience internally of what we think
[1:18:51] having that item will give us, right?
[1:18:53] It's not if I gave someone like a
[1:18:55] million bucks in a suitcase or a duffel
[1:18:57] bag and, you know, locked them in a in a
[1:18:59] staircase, you know, underneath a
[1:19:01] staircase in a cupboard, they're not
[1:19:03] going to be very happy. But but wait,
[1:19:05] what's your problem, mate? You got the
[1:19:06] you've got the million million bucks,
[1:19:08] you know. So, it's the idea of what
[1:19:11] something like that would give us as an
[1:19:12] experience. So what I love for you is
[1:19:14] that you've got the smarts, you've got
[1:19:16] the intelligence, you've obviously
[1:19:17] dabbled with other forms of teaching to
[1:19:21] recognize that oh the more you shift
[1:19:23] internally, the more you have a
[1:19:25] different way of relating to yourself
[1:19:26] and life, then everything else will just
[1:19:28] fall in alignment with that. And that's
[1:19:31] that's the power of creation. Otherwise,
[1:19:33] what I want people to understand is it's
[1:19:35] actually a form of reaction, right? So
[1:19:38] what we just delineated there, you shift
[1:19:40] your internal terrain that changes the
[1:19:42] way that you feel, act, and then the
[1:19:44] results you get. Whereas most people
[1:19:45] it's reactive, right? It's they're
[1:19:47] waiting for something. Well, I'll react
[1:19:50] when fill in the blank happens, which is
[1:19:52] the old expression of seeing is
[1:19:53] believing, which we've all heard.
[1:19:55] >> Yeah.
[1:19:55] >> But I I I I kind of adorn that with my
[1:19:59] own extension, which is Yeah. Seeing is
[1:20:01] believing is also called waiting,
[1:20:03] >> right? because then you're in the victim
[1:20:05] mindset of like okay I'll I'll believe
[1:20:07] it when I see it.
[1:20:09] >> Conversely for me it's like believing is
[1:20:11] seeing which is called creating right so
[1:20:14] believing that your life works out
[1:20:16] believing that you will in your own
[1:20:18] definition of success become successful
[1:20:21] is the energetic precursor to the
[1:20:23] thoughts feelings and actions that then
[1:20:25] will lead to whatever your version of
[1:20:27] success is.
[1:20:28] >> Yeah, absolutely. I I don't know if it's
[1:20:31] because um I've never considered myself
[1:20:33] to be like a religious person really um
[1:20:36] yeah in the sense of
[1:20:37] >> and you know no no disrespect to any of
[1:20:40] these uh types of people but when I
[1:20:43] think of the energy of you know like the
[1:20:44] Gary Ve's the the Grant Cardones that
[1:20:47] that kind of do energy that is um that
[1:20:53] that's coming from like the place of
[1:20:55] force. Um anyway, I don't I don't want
[1:20:57] to distract what I was going to say
[1:20:59] about the religion thing, but what I was
[1:21:01] trying to get at is that I because I
[1:21:03] haven't had that um
[1:21:06] >> that religious or something, let's say
[1:21:08] someone to look up to, I thought maybe
[1:21:10] it's it's up to me, which was one of the
[1:21:12] things before, but it's the some of the
[1:21:14] awareness has now come around like yes,
[1:21:16] I've got an interest towards
[1:21:18] spirituality, but maybe not so much, you
[1:21:20] know, traditional religion or whatever.
[1:21:22] But the the understanding of the
[1:21:24] something out there that is bigger than
[1:21:25] me, that's more powerful than me, the
[1:21:27] universal mind, whatever you want to put
[1:21:28] on it.
[1:21:29] >> And so allowing I think tap that that's
[1:21:34] almost a comfort in itself knowing okay
[1:21:36] just just focus on shifting my internal
[1:21:39] state and then trust that things will
[1:21:41] happen. and I might meet someone at the
[1:21:42] right time like when I'm at my
[1:21:44] girlfriend or I might you know have a
[1:21:46] conversation or whatever
[1:21:48] >> and then that feels like the path of uh
[1:21:50] as some of them would say least
[1:21:52] resistance but then going back on to
[1:21:54] what I was mentioning about these other
[1:21:55] types of uh people that I follow and I I
[1:21:57] definitely value some of their stuff
[1:21:59] perspective sometimes but a lot of that
[1:22:02] energy and maybe that's where the seeds
[1:22:04] were planted that you've got to do more
[1:22:06] you got to get more reps in you've got
[1:22:07] to work you know 14 hours a day um Yeah.
[1:22:11] >> And so there there's I think there's
[1:22:13] that balance between the two. There's
[1:22:15] there's obviously some work involved,
[1:22:16] but there's also it's it's not from the
[1:22:19] energy that I was coming from before.
[1:22:21] >> 100%. Yeah. I mean, it's beautifully
[1:22:23] articulated and I'm with you. I I really
[1:22:27] admire and I find inspiration from
[1:22:29] different religions and I pull many of
[1:22:31] the tenants and the principles that I
[1:22:34] think align with my own perspective.
[1:22:36] Yeah.
[1:22:36] >> But I'm not, you know, religious per se.
[1:22:39] So I would say I'm much more in the camp
[1:22:41] of spirituality. I think religion can
[1:22:43] sometimes divide whereas I think
[1:22:44] spirituality is more inclined to unite.
[1:22:48] Um so I lean into what I call trust
[1:22:51] versus faith. Right? Faith you could say
[1:22:54] is in a dogma in a religion which is all
[1:22:56] great. Uh mine is more trust in perhaps
[1:22:59] consciousness the absolute or the
[1:23:00] universe. Uh pick your poison. It's
[1:23:03] fine. Um, but I think what it does to
[1:23:06] your point is it it gets us out of this
[1:23:10] separate individualized independent
[1:23:13] mindset where everything's incumbent
[1:23:15] upon us. Right. So that's that's where
[1:23:18] you can kind of as you just did almost,
[1:23:20] you know, on Q relax your shoulders a
[1:23:22] little bit and go, "Oh, okay. Um, I
[1:23:26] don't have to do this all by myself."
[1:23:27] You know, there are greater forces and
[1:23:29] bigger intelligences at play here that
[1:23:31] even I, you know, Peter Cone with my own
[1:23:35] intuition and intelligence and and
[1:23:38] perception can't can't fathom. And it's
[1:23:40] actually quite comforting because I
[1:23:42] don't want to have to figure it out. I
[1:23:44] don't want to have to know. Um, and that
[1:23:47] that does then allow me to sort of
[1:23:49] surrender and relax so that even when
[1:23:51] things don't seem to go my way
[1:23:53] subjectively, there's a deeper knowing
[1:23:55] inside of me that actually uh they are
[1:23:59] going my way. I just don't know how this
[1:24:01] particularly, you know, unfolds just yet
[1:24:03] and allow myself to be surprised that
[1:24:06] what I thought I wanted not actually
[1:24:09] happening is the best thing that could
[1:24:11] have occurred. Right. And we've all had
[1:24:12] that experience.
[1:24:13] >> Absolutely. So it reminds me of my very
[1:24:16] early days getting into this showing my
[1:24:18] age, you know, uh when I was in college.
[1:24:21] Um I sat with a friend of mine called
[1:24:23] Guy and we would you know wax lyrical,
[1:24:27] sit under trees and do all of the sort
[1:24:29] of you know the kumbaya stuff of asking
[1:24:31] those big questions of why are we here?
[1:24:34] What's the meaning of life? And um and
[1:24:37] it was just it just led to so many
[1:24:38] beautiful conversations which I'm so
[1:24:40] grateful for and kind of created the
[1:24:42] foundation for who I became without me
[1:24:44] even knowing what I was doing back in
[1:24:46] the day. But nonetheless, it led to some
[1:24:48] pretty fun philosophical questions. And
[1:24:50] I'll always remember he said uh this
[1:24:53] quote and he wasn't religious either, so
[1:24:55] it wasn't like a dedication to a
[1:24:57] particular god figure, but he said um
[1:25:00] yes, believe in Allah, but tie up your
[1:25:03] camels,
[1:25:04] >> right? And and that really spoke to what
[1:25:07] you just shared as far as I'm concerned,
[1:25:08] like you know, have faith, have trust in
[1:25:10] in Allah, Jesus, Shiva, you know,
[1:25:13] Muhammad, whoever it is that you want to
[1:25:15] believe in. Um, but you know, take care
[1:25:18] of the the things that you can take care
[1:25:20] of, right? Like, you know, don't be
[1:25:22] complacent, don't be lazy, don't be
[1:25:24] irresponsible. And so that to me uh
[1:25:27] speaks to the co-creation experience
[1:25:29] that it is to be human, right? is to
[1:25:31] okay I'm I'm not separate from the whole
[1:25:35] um but I'm equally not the whole and nor
[1:25:38] am I um in any way discarded by the
[1:25:42] whole right so we are we could argue
[1:25:44] that who we are
[1:25:47] uh as an accumulation of beings we
[1:25:50] represent the whole right so like a wave
[1:25:53] on the ocean is not separate to the
[1:25:54] ocean and it's not the entire ocean but
[1:25:56] it's nonetheless an aspect of the ocean
[1:25:59] and So there's the I'll do my part as
[1:26:03] best as I can whilst knowing that
[1:26:04] there's a much bigger force at play
[1:26:07] which I am both influencing but also
[1:26:10] influenced more importantly by. Does
[1:26:13] that make sense?
[1:26:13] >> Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So I mean it
[1:26:16] makes me the obvious one is the law of
[1:26:18] gravity. Like you know I I trust that
[1:26:21] things are going to work out but I'm not
[1:26:23] going to try and defy the laws of
[1:26:25] gravity and like jump out of a plane or
[1:26:27] something and hope that I'm going to be
[1:26:28] okay. Yeah. See, that's where we're
[1:26:30] different. I'm still trying to overcome
[1:26:31] that one.
[1:26:32] >> Oh, yeah. Bit of an extreme example, but
[1:26:35] Yeah.
[1:26:36] >> No, no, I get it. I mean, that to me is
[1:26:38] about the only thing that I'll I'll
[1:26:41] succumb to at this point, you know. I
[1:26:43] think everything else in terms of
[1:26:45] people's woes and fears and limitations,
[1:26:47] I think, can be transcended. But, you
[1:26:49] know, gravity, that's that's pretty
[1:26:50] stubborn.
[1:26:51] >> Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.
[1:26:54] >> Yeah. Amazing. Well, Paul, I don't know
[1:26:57] if I don't know if you had anything else
[1:26:58] to ask or to share, but I I love I mean,
[1:27:02] look, you've got a big heart. You're
[1:27:03] obviously super smart. I I can feel the
[1:27:05] shift in your energy in terms of the
[1:27:07] relaxation, not trying to control
[1:27:08] everything. Uh it sounds like you
[1:27:11] without being there as a fly on the wall
[1:27:13] of your life. I'm going to, you know,
[1:27:15] I'm going to guess that you might have
[1:27:16] had a little bit more joy, a little bit
[1:27:18] more relaxation in your life since we've
[1:27:20] spoken, maybe um a lot less stress and
[1:27:24] tension. And as you said, force. Um, I
[1:27:26] love that distinction. Just for the
[1:27:28] listeners, one of the things that I do
[1:27:29] with all of my professional athletes,
[1:27:32] um, I ask them to say the following
[1:27:34] statement. I ask them to say, "I am
[1:27:36] forceful." So they say, "I'm forceful."
[1:27:39] And then I ask them, "How does that feel
[1:27:40] in your body?" And invariably, you know,
[1:27:42] the majority of responses are in the in
[1:27:45] the realm of um, it feels tight. I feel
[1:27:49] tension. It feels like I'm trying to
[1:27:50] make something happen. I'm pushing. And
[1:27:54] that that's of course you know the
[1:27:56] experience I want them to have. So
[1:27:58] that's I would say is that Paul prior to
[1:28:00] our conversation was very forceful
[1:28:02] right? It comes from a place really of
[1:28:03] fear and scarcity and lack and
[1:28:05] separation which drives the inclination
[1:28:08] to try and want to control things.
[1:28:10] Everyone can relate to that. But then I
[1:28:12] ask my athletes to say I am powerful.
[1:28:15] And what does that feel like? So they
[1:28:17] say I am powerful. And they immediately
[1:28:19] you it's almost like their posture
[1:28:21] changes. They sit up a little bit.
[1:28:22] They're like, "I feel calm. I feel
[1:28:25] confident. I feel no matter what
[1:28:27] happens, I can handle it. Um that I am
[1:28:31] held by a greater force of some kind.
[1:28:35] That I, you know, I can influence life
[1:28:37] in a way that isn't dominating, that
[1:28:40] isn't, you know, abusive, that isn't uh
[1:28:43] trying to get my own way. um but rather
[1:28:46] I feel like I am truly making a
[1:28:48] difference and I have the power to um
[1:28:52] consciously create the life that I want.
[1:28:54] And so I feel for you and just to help
[1:28:57] you with that distinction, you're going
[1:28:58] from a very forceful perspective to one
[1:29:01] that is more powerful where yes, you
[1:29:04] still have your aspirations and your
[1:29:05] goals, which is amazing, but there's a
[1:29:07] degree of surrender, which I know can
[1:29:10] sound counterintuitive, but actually
[1:29:11] it's not where we let go. You know, I'm
[1:29:14] again using a religious expression where
[1:29:16] we let go and let God, right? So kind of
[1:29:19] we get out of the way, let the universe
[1:29:21] do its part. um where yes, we have a
[1:29:25] certain degree of maybe steering like a
[1:29:28] boat on a river or surfing on a wave.
[1:29:31] The energy, the real force is life and
[1:29:33] we do the best we can to navigate that
[1:29:36] um by steering consciously in the
[1:29:38] direction that we want to go.
[1:29:41] >> Yeah, that was beautifully put. Yeah,
[1:29:43] that makes sense.
[1:29:44] >> Yeah. So, that's what I see for you, my
[1:29:46] friend. You know, you you've obviously
[1:29:48] got
[1:29:49] >> beautiful aspirations and and I I love
[1:29:51] that. And um and I really appreciate the
[1:29:54] kind words at the beginning. It's uh
[1:29:56] never lost on me how um how many people
[1:29:59] want to have these kind of conversations
[1:30:01] who hopefully listening in right now who
[1:30:04] want to you know spend time with me
[1:30:06] whether it's you know over a relaxing
[1:30:10] fruit type beverage or on a podcast and
[1:30:13] and just sort of chip away at some of
[1:30:15] their constraints and suffering. And uh
[1:30:17] that's certainly my commitment here as
[1:30:19] you know as part of my work to help
[1:30:21] people transcend the constraints with
[1:30:23] which they arrive so that they also can
[1:30:25] find some more freedom. So thank you for
[1:30:27] the kind words. Thank you for your
[1:30:28] contribution to this podcast where
[1:30:31] people get to listen to your story. And
[1:30:32] I'm sure there's millions of people who
[1:30:34] can relate to where you were and as a
[1:30:38] byproduct of your vulnerability and your
[1:30:40] courage. Hopefully, there's also
[1:30:42] millions now who have relaxed and they
[1:30:44] can lean into just the power of being
[1:30:47] present and understanding that their
[1:30:50] life is taken care of in ways that they
[1:30:52] don't fully understand. And that can
[1:30:54] give them a greater sense of trust. So,
[1:30:57] um it's just just great to have
[1:30:59] conversations like this with people like
[1:31:00] you, my friend.
[1:31:02] >> Yeah, absolutely. No, I appreciate it.
[1:31:04] Peter, I I think the the a question that
[1:31:06] comes to me uh kind of on that really is
[1:31:09] thinking of other people uh and even
[1:31:12] myself maybe a little bit. But, you
[1:31:15] know, the the awareness was the first
[1:31:17] piece which we spoke about last time and
[1:31:19] I've been kind of reflecting on some of
[1:31:21] that. I think the challenge for many
[1:31:23] people including myself is
[1:31:26] >> in the world we live in where you know
[1:31:29] with social media the different things
[1:31:30] on the news and everything um is what do
[1:31:34] you may maybe I'm doing the right things
[1:31:36] now from what I've shared with you but
[1:31:38] what would be you know like going to the
[1:31:40] gym you want to go three times a week
[1:31:42] four times a week whatever consistently
[1:31:44] to build up your body what would be what
[1:31:46] would be the energetic
[1:31:49] >> work to be doing Um, is it just
[1:31:52] following what feels good in the moment?
[1:31:54] Is it to do some kind of mental, you
[1:31:57] know, visualization or meditation? I'm
[1:31:59] just curious like what's your kind of
[1:32:01] top recommendation for people when
[1:32:03] you're looking at the bills that you've
[1:32:05] got to pay or, you know, you're late for
[1:32:07] work or whatever it might be that's
[1:32:09] happening in the world, right? Just
[1:32:11] what's like a mental kind of um practice
[1:32:14] you you would recommend? That that's
[1:32:16] really the only question I have for you.
[1:32:18] >> It's a great question, my friend. Um,
[1:32:20] and I really appreciate your dedication
[1:32:22] to, you know, wanting to, um, embody
[1:32:25] this, um, integrate it and and live from
[1:32:28] this energy because it is, um, it's
[1:32:32] super fulfilling. You know, I feel like
[1:32:33] I'm one of the most blessed men alive
[1:32:35] just by virtue of the fact that I get to
[1:32:36] understand these distinctions and
[1:32:38] practice them very readily. Yeah.
[1:32:40] >> And effortlessly. So, yeah, just akin
[1:32:43] to, as you said, going to the gym,
[1:32:44] taking care of your body, then you want
[1:32:45] to take care of your mind. So, let's
[1:32:47] look at the basics, right? what are what
[1:32:49] are some of the ways you can take care
[1:32:50] of your mind? You know, there are the
[1:32:52] anatomical
[1:32:54] u practices which is good sleep, you
[1:32:56] know, good food that is for cognitive
[1:32:58] health. Obviously, avoiding toxicity um
[1:33:01] especially, you know, in the food that
[1:33:03] we eat are unfortunately a lot of these
[1:33:04] GMO foods and stuff that's covered in
[1:33:06] glyphosates. So, you want to take care
[1:33:08] of your brain, right? So, that's just on
[1:33:11] the practical side. Then as a practice
[1:33:13] in terms of like learning to really
[1:33:16] embody these principles of freedom, you
[1:33:18] know, love, possibility, they're sort of
[1:33:20] the three main pillars of my work. Um it
[1:33:24] might seem counterintuitive,
[1:33:26] but you want to discover where you're
[1:33:27] not free, right? Because if you can find
[1:33:30] out where you're not free, then there's
[1:33:32] an access to some freedom on the other
[1:33:34] side of that. So whatever's in the way
[1:33:36] is going to be founded in some sort of
[1:33:38] limitation narrative which will have the
[1:33:40] energy of predominantly fear about it.
[1:33:44] So wherever we feel like um inhibited or
[1:33:48] thwarted in terms of expressing oursel
[1:33:50] is an opportunity to find freedom. So
[1:33:52] that's actually a practice is okay if
[1:33:55] the commitment like this podcast of
[1:33:56] finding freedom is to discover that for
[1:33:59] ourselves then the irony is we want to
[1:34:02] find out where we're not free. So for
[1:34:04] Paul, you know, wherever that might be,
[1:34:05] right? If it even saying you were
[1:34:07] talking to me, you were nervous, you
[1:34:09] were sweating a lot. That's not bad.
[1:34:10] That's human. But where else might you
[1:34:12] feel that? Is it in a public
[1:34:14] presentation? You know, when people do
[1:34:17] uh speaking engagements in front of a
[1:34:18] company, what would make Paul a little
[1:34:21] bit nervous? Would it be to run your own
[1:34:23] workshop for a weekend where you're kind
[1:34:25] of challenging yourself a little bit? Uh
[1:34:27] so that's a practice in terms of
[1:34:29] freedom. Um, but also in the way that
[1:34:32] you express yourself, excuse me, in
[1:34:34] front of say your girlfriend or her
[1:34:37] parents or your, you know, somebody you
[1:34:40] admire, you know, where you might feel,
[1:34:42] as we can all do as humans, a feeling of
[1:34:44] inadequacy. There's another opportunity
[1:34:47] to express yourself, um,
[1:34:50] un, you know, uninhibited. Um, then
[1:34:53] love, you know, where where can you
[1:34:55] practice love? You know, where can we
[1:34:57] find that? Most people obviously tend to
[1:34:59] do the opposite. They tend to be in
[1:35:00] fear. They're in fight or flight to some
[1:35:03] degree. So that might manifest as, you
[1:35:05] know, screaming at someone in traffic
[1:35:07] because they cut you off. Or it might be
[1:35:09] making your partner wrong or
[1:35:12] disregarding somebody's uh messages that
[1:35:14] they've sent you. Uh ghosting people,
[1:35:16] gaslighting people, you know, these are
[1:35:18] the antithesis of love, right? So where
[1:35:20] could you practice being more loving? So
[1:35:23] that would be the second thing to look
[1:35:25] at. Where is there someone in your life
[1:35:26] right now who perhaps did hurt you or
[1:35:29] upset you and rather than cleaning it up
[1:35:32] and you know just letting them know but
[1:35:34] giving them the opportunity to
[1:35:35] apologize. You know a lesser mind tends
[1:35:38] to want to make somebody wrong so that
[1:35:39] they can be right. You know it's sort of
[1:35:41] one of the predominant imperatives of
[1:35:44] the ego is we want to be right. That's
[1:35:45] self-righteousness of the ego. So where
[1:35:48] can you practice more love would be
[1:35:50] another area to look at. And then
[1:35:52] lastly, the energy of possibility is you
[1:35:54] know for me it's so replete with joy
[1:35:57] when you really get that this domain
[1:35:59] that we live in as human beings is
[1:36:00] itself possibility. So when we don't
[1:36:04] feel that, we're uh typically
[1:36:06] misidentified with our own shortcomings,
[1:36:10] our own limitations, failures from our
[1:36:12] history that make us feel that we can't
[1:36:15] do something right. Like I another quote
[1:36:17] of mine, I say, you know, when other
[1:36:19] people tell you your dreams aren't
[1:36:20] possible, have sympathy. It's their own
[1:36:23] limitations they're exposing, not yours.
[1:36:26] Right? So does that make sense? So you
[1:36:28] know those three I would say, you know,
[1:36:30] where are you not free? Great. there's
[1:36:32] an opportunity to find more freedom. It
[1:36:33] could be as mundane as, okay, you have a
[1:36:35] partner, but if some guy out there or
[1:36:37] some girl right now is, you know, kind
[1:36:39] of keen on someone or you're at a bar or
[1:36:41] you're a grocery store or you're yoga
[1:36:43] class and you see someone you're
[1:36:44] attracted to, but you're scared to go up
[1:36:46] to them for whatever your fear might be
[1:36:48] of embarrassment, rejection, or looking
[1:36:51] like a fool, that's an opportunity to
[1:36:53] overcome that, right? So, practice that.
[1:36:55] Find where you're not free. Go out there
[1:36:57] and practice freedom. Um, secondly, you
[1:37:01] know, as I said, be increasingly more
[1:37:04] loving. Where are you holding account of
[1:37:07] things people have done to, you know,
[1:37:09] hurt you and making them wrong? That's
[1:37:11] childish. And again, I'm obviously not
[1:37:13] inviting people to stay in abusive
[1:37:14] situations or communicate with people
[1:37:17] who are very hostile or harmful. No,
[1:37:19] this is only when relationships are
[1:37:21] important to you that uh are you being
[1:37:23] really loving or are you being a little
[1:37:25] self-righteous? And then possibility is
[1:37:27] where can you continue to recognize that
[1:37:30] this moment right now whoever is
[1:37:32] listening literally at this moment this
[1:37:34] moment in time has never happened before
[1:37:36] in the entire history of humanity. And
[1:37:39] for that reason it is like littered with
[1:37:42] nothing but the energy of possibility.
[1:37:45] The question is to what degree do we
[1:37:47] drag our past into this new moment and
[1:37:51] that then muddies the waters of
[1:37:52] possibility where we become resigned or
[1:37:54] cynical to the fact that something's not
[1:37:56] going to work for us. So they would be
[1:37:59] the three things I'd practice my friend.
[1:38:01] Where can you find more freedom? Where
[1:38:02] can you find more love? And where can
[1:38:05] you live from the energy that I would
[1:38:06] assert is your birthright which is the
[1:38:09] energy of pure possibility.
[1:38:11] >> That's awesome. Thanks so much for
[1:38:12] sharing that, Peter. Yeah. Hopefully
[1:38:15] that's a pretty comprehensive response.
[1:38:17] >> Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a
[1:38:20] good six 12 month lifetime program of uh
[1:38:24] work to do there. So
[1:38:25] >> yeah well they you know they came
[1:38:27] through me with my work and helping
[1:38:29] people transcend their constraints. I
[1:38:31] realized that every time so for you, you
[1:38:33] know, thinking that it's all up to you,
[1:38:34] it's a prison, right? It's a limitation.
[1:38:37] >> And when you break through and come to
[1:38:39] the other side of that, then you
[1:38:41] discover freedom from it, right? And
[1:38:42] when you're in a place where, oh [ __ ]
[1:38:45] it's not up to me. It's not all my
[1:38:47] responsibility. Then you could have a
[1:38:49] newfound love for life. And
[1:38:51] simultaneously, you see a new way of
[1:38:54] living, which is possibility. Right? So
[1:38:55] the three qualities always arise
[1:38:58] simultaneously when somebody overcomes
[1:39:01] some sort of previous constraint. So
[1:39:03] when you understand that it's a really
[1:39:05] beautiful way to relate to life and
[1:39:06] particularly to time, you know.
[1:39:08] >> Yeah, absolutely. No, I appreciate that.
[1:39:10] Thanks a lot for showing Peter.
[1:39:12] >> You're welcome, mate. Well, listen, this
[1:39:14] was just a followup to check in. It's
[1:39:16] great to be with you again. Um, I really
[1:39:18] appreciate,
[1:39:20] you know, the opportunity that I get to
[1:39:22] meet and work with human beings like
[1:39:25] yourself. We, you know, didn't know each
[1:39:26] other from a hole in the ground or at
[1:39:28] least I didn't know you. You'd obviously
[1:39:29] listen to some of my stuff for a few
[1:39:30] years, but, you know, it's just really
[1:39:33] an honor for me to be with another human
[1:39:35] being on the planet. um to hold space
[1:39:37] for you and for you to contribute to the
[1:39:40] audience in a way that millions and
[1:39:42] millions of people will be able to
[1:39:44] relate to your same, you know, maybe not
[1:39:47] quite the identical situation, but very
[1:39:49] similar enough for them to realize um
[1:39:52] that they have a very similar form of
[1:39:55] limitation that now is no longer
[1:39:56] necessary and as a result um here we all
[1:40:00] are finding freedom. So, thank you my
[1:40:02] friend. Yeah, of course. I'm always
[1:40:04] happy as a coach and in the fitness
[1:40:06] industry and all that, like helping
[1:40:07] other people anyway. So, if this, you
[1:40:09] know, being not being the guinea pig,
[1:40:10] but being uh I guess being the guinea
[1:40:13] pig, but benefiting myself and others,
[1:40:16] then that's great. So,
[1:40:17] >> yeah. Awesome.
[1:40:19] >> Well, Paul, a pleasure. I hope we'll get
[1:40:21] to connect maybe in life one day down
[1:40:22] the road. And um hopefully my work will
[1:40:25] continue to contribute and inspire you
[1:40:27] to uh live from this place of freedom,
[1:40:29] love, and possibility. and to um yeah,
[1:40:32] continue to lean into that energy of
[1:40:34] true trust in life uh whilst
[1:40:36] simultaneously obviously co-creating the
[1:40:38] things that you aspire to see in the
[1:40:40] world. And I know the difference you
[1:40:42] make out there and and you know, thank
[1:40:44] you for what you do to help people on
[1:40:46] all levels. And I know this energy of
[1:40:49] internal peace and a lot more um sense
[1:40:54] of freedom is what the world needs more
[1:40:57] than anything. So take that out there
[1:40:59] and and pass it on.
[1:41:01] >> Of course. Absolutely. It would be my
[1:41:02] pleasure.